That's great. I'm glad those that stayed in had a chance to check it out before making their decision. It was no where on display anywhere near where I live, and this is the thread I was following for updates. Never saw the other one.

I am an MMRLE buyer, and I am also a tech for a large amusement operator in south central Pennsylvania. I too am really surprised that they will be shipping without coin mechs. That being said, its not enough to make me want out, although I do understand the legitimate gripes by people who think an $8,000 pinball machine should come with them installed. I think that is the real issue here- when you are paying top dollar for a coin operated machine it should probably come with all the parts necessary for it to be coin operated! We're not asking for $400 Mars bill acceptors, we're talking about $20 coin mechs! Regardless of the lack of coin mechs, I am sure Rick and PPS are going to make a quality machine that I am really looking forward to owning.

Can you tell me the winning lottery numbers?

There's your problem, you are not paying top dollar, this remake is way below top dollar for this title.

No, but I'm pretty good at picking Super Bowl winners. Get back to me in a few months.

In my opinion, anyone paying $12,000+ for a pinball machine deserves to get ripped off (because that is what it is). NO pinball machine is worth that much, and yes, I think $8,000 is also way more than any pinball machine should ever cost! So in my book, it is top dollar.

That's what the "¶" is for - just click that on his post in this thread and it'll only show you his

I'd rather have a shaker, choice of color for trim, LED lighting, new hardware then I would a coin mech. Do Sterns ship with coin mechs? yes. However, do current Stern LE or other models ship with shakers? No. Do you get to choose from a variety of trim options even for LE models? No. Which would you rather have a $200 item or a few dollar coin mech? I'll happily take the shaker and other options over a coin mech even if I have to order/install one in the future.

I've never purchased a Stern LE model before so I could be wrong here, but I thought that most of the Stern (LE models) do come with shakers these days.

With them asking the same price for a standard and an LE, kind of makes it hard to justify cutting the mechs if you ask me.

Don't think Metalica came with a shaker for the LE.

There isn't one person in this whole thread that is saying that they would rather have coin mechs than a shaker or trim or leds. Where do you come up with this stuff? People are simply saying that this is a $8000 coin-op machine that cannot accept coins and the reasoning behind it is absurd. That's all.

I'd give up the added shaker for coin mechs.

EDIT: Bad joke. Sorry guys.

Kinda how criticism of WOZ was limited to paying customers?

Oh, wait...

STLE shipped with a shaker.

More like a few (three) trim options on MMR, one of which is a watered down version of the gleaming gold originally expected

My WOZ came with shaker, coin mechs AND invisiglass. And a whole lot more R n' D. Just sayin

Hey coin mech cry babies go change you're tampons. I tired reading page after page of pissing and moaning about it. I know it's not about the fact that coin mechs are cheap as shit and we all have a hundred laying around or most of the games will never even have a quarter put in it. But it's not about the money it's the principle or principal. Yea 10 pages of testimonials of dis like of this decision is duly noted with Ric. At times like this I almost miss the 25 pages of teekee and the refake post.

Actually, I didn't realize that!

Well, I don't really have time to sift through all the bullshit these days, so thanks for letting me know.

But yes this does change my outlook on the coin mech issue. I guess I would just install one myself if I really wanted it. But I would still say that I would be disappointed if it only "looked" like I could install an actual coin mech. It should actually be installable as a functional mech.

Cheers

PS Sometimes I like to put quarters through my machines, even though they are all on free play, b/c it does add that je ne sais quoi to the experience. I bet I'm not the only one who does that.

And it's only you and three other posters who also aren't getting a MMR that refuse to drop the subject.

Well, when my machine arrives I'll post a picture and you can then tell everyone here that you know nothing as to what you are talking about and you are just being a <edited> OK?

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Alright, i was mistaken, sorry. If you say you're getting one I believe you. But most of the people perpetuating this subject are not.

Edit: furthermore, at this point, I'm probably being as annoying as anyone. I will drop it.

Haha.. You and others are harping on a few dollar item. I'm pointing out I think it's silly to harp on such a small thing when PPS has offered a lot of cool things/choices that are much more expensive. If that's not a valid or obvious point to you then I'm happy to agree to disagree.

You and others have made your point your upset it doesn't come with mechs. Some of us don't really care which is fine to see it different. However, when it gets to page after page of hearing the same complaint over and over it seems to be taken too far by some.

No the recent releases did not to the best of my knowledge.

One few dollar item indicates to me that expense might have been spared elsewhere when building this machine as well. It was a bad choice not to spend a few dollars more and put the coin mechs in there from a PR standpoint IMO.

Perhaps but it becomes pretty clear we are a whinny bunch when we harp much more on a mech then we do to the other more expensive items being included. I get stating a disappointment regarding the mechs not coming with it. However, do we really need pages of complaining? You can make a point on a forum without trying to take over a thread. Some have a tough time realizing that.

A PR standpoint? It's pinside, it's any PR person's worst case scenario. Grumpy old men looking for something to complain about. Stern does PR right on here by not being on here. They knew they would get torn to shreds.

Well put and 100% true.

I look forward to dropping a couple of quarters in your machine Rick. I would love to play it. I guess that might make me one of your customers. Good luck with the rest!

Way to go you f'n babies!
Someone making a contribution to the hobby and this is the thanks he gets.. For those bitchin about this topic - what have you done lately for the hobby.. Let it die..

Well said Rick and thank you for the reminder to all....I guess many people missed this post from a few weeks ago.

Now let's all get back to talking about the positives of MMR

Enough already with the coin mech talk. We all know the coin mechs are not included as it has been beaten to death, and at this point appears it is being used to divert the discussion away from what the game actually includes.

There are some legitimate questions about the game that I have not seen answers or details about.
Rick, could you answer yes or no as to specific parts to be included in the game? For example, will the game include the 120 volt service outlet, the real knocker, lights for the coin reject buttons, metal apron, and manual?

Too many different countries and languages. Might create mfg issues. I would guess not.

Since pictures out there show those, I'd go with yes.

And Rick has repeatedly post his phone number in these threads. Call and ask.

LTG : )

Rick, not being sarcastic just inquisitive. How is adding the coin mechs any more complex then allowing people to pick the color of the trim?

I am just thrilled beyond words that I am able to purchase a new MM. Like many pinheads it is my grail machine and I thought it just was never gonna happen. I felt it was priced out of my budget when it hit 6k last decade, for worn out routed ones at that. I tried buying one from Wayne and it only frustrated matters more, although I did receive a refund in a timely manner. Still, I was no closer to owning MM than 10 years earlier. Then along came Rick and the huge announcement. I could not believe what I was reading....could it finally be true? It all still seems like a dream and one day (hopefully in the not-too-distant future), I hope to wake up to a truck rolling down my street delivering a very magical box.

Thank you Rick. Thank you so much for making one of my dreams come true. I wish the best for you and all the folks involved in the project and look forward to many exciting new products from PPS.

That or more commonly, fully restored. Now the market will be flooded with NIB MM's... oh the tragedy!

My selfish solution... My 'guess' is that 90% of the pins were sold in the US. Why not include US mechs in all of them and let the 10% swap theirs out if they want/need to? They're going to have to pay for their own mechs anyway.

I agree that most of the pins won't see a quarter dropped in them, so most of the 10% group won't care that it's a US mech. Just a thought.

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My 'guess' is that 90% of the people don't care at all, and another 9% of the people care so very little.

Ray Tanzer is back at it? That's good to hear......

I am a PPS customer, and I also purchase parts from BAA and have for several years. As an owner of several older Bally and Williams machines, sometimes I have no choice.

After you explained it a bit, it does sound like a hassle to make too many options on machines that are being shipped worldwide. Too much chance for error.

A reasonable solution IMO would be to include a PPS voucher for any parts that cannot be included with the machine when it ships.

Just a thought...

Thank god I'm not getting any useless USA coin mechs!

I got 2 with WOZ what a waste of metal.....

Oh and a huge thanks to Rick and PPS for doing this project. Bring on BBBr.

Not really the best response to a lot of people who are perfectly calm about it (but still find issue with the change), but we obviously already see your point.

You can be emotionally disappointed man. It's your right. But this is a commercial product, so the customers, although the may not be "kings", they definitely are the driver of your profits.

My toddler is disappointed, as he likes to "coin-up", but other than that I can't wait to play my new MM.

I as a paying customer don't care about the mechs Rick. Thanks for producing MMR and giving us LE buyers so many cool options/features! Can't please everyone but overall your doing a hell of a job.

Just trying to help, man. In a calm way. I know you have 1000s of orders to fill, so I won't take up any more of your precious time.

Is this a bad time to ask if a manual with schematics will be included with the game?