Just ordered mine today. Now the waiting begins...

That's a great deal, I'd have been all over that if I had a chance. That color upgrade alone is $400!

Make sure your flipper is moving freely and nothings binding. If you've had the game only a few weeks I bet your coil stop is loose so the coil is drooping and you're getting some drag.

Check your Trolls. They like to shed pieces.

Well I suppose you'd know!

Yeah no chance. Maybe as a future premium product but if they just up and made the standards better than the LEs all those LE buyers would riot.

I think for the $400 the "color upgrade" costs that they could just bump the price up a hundo or so and sell us a whole new panel tho, that'd be cool.

I'm waiting on one.

Ummm, same parts just being assembled in a different place is what I understand, so I wouldn't expect it to be a lot different.

I mean, I'm getting a CGC one so it would be NICE if it was like somehow "better" but I seriously doubt it.

Does the Mantis jump protector still have that extra screw hole for the screw they say you don't need to put in? I love that protector and think the area looks naked without it, but I hate both the idea of drilling an extra screw hole in my PF as well as having an empty screw hole there.

Woooooooooo! Got my email last nite! It's almost MMR time. Thanks @gexchange!

10/10 would buy.

Me too! OMG OMG OMG...

Just looks like a normal cab speaker to me.

Still waiting for that call from @gexchange...

No NIB for me... but I had a deal come through for a black LE with the color upgrade from a local pin bro. Sad I won't be getting the NIB but stoked about the LE-news of it all!

One... day... mooooooore!!
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Welcome home black LE #453!
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Yuuup! Ordered it last nite, and an SD card so I can do the updates too.

Thanks for the heads up. Turns out I already had a 64GB Ultra SD so I did the update to 2.02 this morning, and tried to cancel the 8GB one I ordered just as Scamazon told me it shipped.

Hey, do MMR's come with a manual?

Thanks guys.

Here's the gag. I bought the HUO MMR LE with 4 (hundred-ish) plays! The bag is still there, but no manual inside. So I asked my buddy if he still had it and he can't remember it ever being there (he's kind of a space case at times) which is why I asked. I did DL the manual (thanks LTG) but I like having a hard copy to flip through when I'm bored, plus it just feels kinda wrong to not have it, you know?

I'm not sure. I'll try again sometime.
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I mean, I can only assume this was the manual. It did have the tilt bob and the flipper tool in the coinbox still, even the receipt. But no manual.

That is what I did. Thanks LTG!

I have 500 games on mine and no noticeable wear, so I'm sure you'll be fine!

Is there a place to report bugs and such? I notice that there is some text loss on the Merlin's Magic screen after the color upgrade.

Also, it might just be me, but I really like some of the color choices ColorDMD used as opposed to the official PPS/CGC color... like the green castle moat and the sky not being bright blue... I mean, it is what it is and the MMR Color Upgrade looks WAY better overall, I just feel like the CDMD colors fit the game better.

I know you weren't asking me, but I'll chime in... I had a MM for a couple years that I replaced with an MMR... the MM wasn't actually mine, but I'm gonna refer to it as "mine" to keep this simple.

Ramps are easier to make on MMR... fresh flippers and clearcoat make a big difference I'd imagine.

The drawbridge is ALOT quieter on my MMR than my MM. But again, it's like 20 years newer.

LED lighting is BRIGHT and looks great. The "Hi Res" color display is a plus, although the ColorDMD on my MM was just fine.

CGC options menu gives you some extra tuning options (all mine are still default) plus you have all the original Williams options.

The flipper travel is different than it was on my MM but I recently played another MM that was actually very close to my MM in terms of flipper travel and feel, so I assume my MMR is actually probably more "correct" than my MM was.

My MM was certainly more "dialed in", but I haven't had to much time on dialing in the MMR as it already plays so damn nice. It was alot easier to kill castles tho on my old MM than on my MMR tho so my scores were better, but I find myself getting to (and beating) Royal Madness alot more on MMR and completing more of the objectives like Master of Trolls, Patron of the Peasants, etc...

Anyhow, I really like MMR. It feels like a "real" MM to me, but new.

Hahaha, opposite for me... my old MM has a pretty solid Merlin shot, but my MMR you have to kind of finesse it in or it goes through. Still, it's not so bad that I've had to go in and change anything so...

And FWIW, I don't think the sound is THAT bad, but they used a cheap speaker for sure. I might upgrade someday.

It will, but...

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Yeah, there is a thread earlier that just basically says that they used kinda crap speakers and swapping them out for something better and full range makes a huge difference. Heck, it's got me thinking I might need to upgrade...

Don't you just unplug/unsolder the old speakers and plug/solder in the new ones?

I just ordered some Pyle speakers (similar to the AFMR ones) on Scamazon and am planning to swap them upon arrival.

Maybe throw in some new coil sleeves while you're in there. You shouldn't need to, but they're cheap and it won't hurt anything.

Right, one to lite the lock, and one to lock the lock, times three!

One screw at a time.

It's Williams flipper parts, the same as the original MM... so I don't know what to tell you.

My MMR is much snappier, on default power, than my MM was and I have a WAY easier time making ramps.

Maybe it just felt newer?

New speakers in!

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Like some have said, it's not AMAZINGLY better, but it IS better, and I think for $40 and maybe an hour install time you can't go wrong.

Honestly, I think the cab speaker makes a significant difference. I tested the new backbox speakers, then went back in and installed the cab speaker, and everything sounded fuller and punchier.

Plus, it looks pretty legit.

Yeah, mine too. ALTHOUGH it didn't when I picked it up... hmmm!

I'll save you some time... not too dang much! Set it up and start playing!

I had that kind of consistency on my old MM... Castle Crusher was almost a foregone conclusion in any serious game! On my MMR tho the castle is a BASTARD.

My theory is that it is because the flippers hit harder... so EVERYTHING else is easier and the castle gate is death.

They're both the same thing, just like any game from machine to machine they have their own personality.

I will say on my MMR it's much easier (for me) to do EVERYTHING but castle shots. Usually on MM I'd get screwed by the damsel shot, and on MMR I can punish it. Plus a left lane joust orbit will come out and hit a raised right flipper and bounce right into the Catapult, where my MM just didn't seem to have that kind of flipper power.

MMR is on default btw. Game is level but it's steep... 8 or 9 degrees, outlanes wide.

Extra ball.

Is there another MMR run on the way? Sounds like AFMR for the forseeable future, and after that they might be onto Remake 3: The Remakening.

You don't NEED the shaker, but it IS kinda cool.

...but it IS better cold?

Default seems fine to me, but I'm pretty steep.

The flipper feel on my OG MM was so damn weird from the years of wear and rebuilds that I don't know that I'd want my MMR to feel the "same" I just want it to feel "right" and it does.

I would say that's unusual. Can you feel it?

Cliffy's are always great, and the Mantis jump protector for the castle.

As for plastic protectors, Pinbits. You can get your Cliffy's there at the same time.

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I wish Mantis would redo this one without the screw hole.

There's another one inside the castle too... check their page for the deets - http://www.mantisamusements.com/mminstall.htm

Usually when you disable the gate it disables open.

My MMR doesn't play like that, you can drill pretty much any shot on the fly. Default power, original rubbers, maybe 8 degrees tilt.

I don't think he has a remake.

Mantis makes an upgraded gate assembly, right? I'd check that out.

Yeah. I'd throw some blue loctite on there.

Mostly because your game list has MM on it but not MMR.

I always measure analog, with a bubble level and my good ol weighted inclinometer. Usually just from the PF center, right under the trolls. I play pretty steep and standard coil power. It's tough but fun!

Replace the switch? Sometimes they're just bad.

You probably have a loose connection in there. I'd poke around and find it.

Oh I dunno, I think the LE badge makes the game WAY more fun!

Seriously tho, the LE came with trim color choice, the shaker motor, and the LE badge... pretty sure the upgraded cab and PF hardcoat ended up carrying over to the SE, and you can always add the shaker... so the SE plays exactly the same.

Dude, there is no way MM doesn't OWN all those games, unless you have had one for years and are already sick of it. Even a cheap ass like me bought one. Get to it!!

Lol, I hear that too... I always say my TZ will be the last to leave, barring a truly insane offer... and 11 years later it's still here! But yeah, never say never, right?

Swapping speakers is pretty easy. I don't think it makes a giant difference, but it's also relatively cheap so you can't really go wrong unless you overspend.

No way to know when (or if) they will do a large display, all they've said is they are looking into it and that the AFM one won't work. I think if they did one tho it would be a drop in speaker panel so it would probably include speakers... once you work in the speakers, display, panel and all that tho, it probably will be pretty expensive.

Anyways, if you wait is up to you,

All MM PF parts work on MMR and vice versa. There are some PF differences on the underside because of the "modern" board set and new lamp board layout but the top side and mechs are identical as far as I can tell.

If you do a rom update it resets the plays... but still, low play is low play!

Does anyone sell the logo for the regular speaker panel still? Not trying to pose but that blank space does kind of annoy me. Even better would be if someone made art for it. I never got why Williams went away from the cool speaker panels in the early 90s to the blank plastic ones later on.

A hundred bucks huh? Guess it doesn’t annoy me that much, lol.

Pretty sure the large screen still requires the color chip so may as well suck it up.

I’ve had both and as others have said, MMR feels like MM but new. That said they don’t play quite the same, my MMR is a ramp monster and you can slay dragons with impunity but the castle is lethal... where on my MM you needed to be dead accurate to make the damsel ramp without the ball returning to sender on you, but you could predictably hunt castles all day. I don’t blame that on it being a remake, but more it being newer and having snappier flippers. One cool thing I haven’t messed with is the flipper power adjustments which I just left on default.

Hahahaha, you weren’t kidding. Good to meet you today.

There is a post with how to do it, I’ll see if I can find it for you, but I used some Pyle 5.25 speakers that look almost like the ones CGC put in AFMR so it has a nice factory look, despite the fact that they’re bright yellow. I also put in a matching 6.5 inch cab speaker that I like so much I’ve dropped it in 2 other pins since.

Huh that’s weird. Let me know if you need pix or anything.

Looks like you got shorted a post!

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Yeah, MM is just amazing. Back in the day I thought it was a cool game but kind of overrated. It wasn’t until I learned how it all worked that I realized how genius it was. And of course it’s hard to deny the art, theme, sound and just how fun bashing trolls and blowing up castles is.

I’m thinking it’s a sticker for the Mantis protector?

repeat information.

Does anyone want to share what they’ve adjusted their power levels to in the CGC menu? I am still running default for all mine, but was experimenting and wondered what other people had done.

Huh, I’ve never seen that happen!

Just loosen up the flipper pawl from the flipper shaft, realign as desired, and tighten it back down. You’ll need an allen wench. Don’t be too gentle, it needs to be tight, but don’t go insane either.

They wear and need periodic replacement. Sure beats replacing a whole coil!

You hold down the first (escape iirc) button until the CGC menu comes up.

That lightning does look pretty bad ass.

Yeah 800 plays in it’s probably a sketchy/damaged coil sleeve or maybe the coil is loose and causing drag. I just had a newish sleeve that was dragging for no good reason in another pin of mine, just swapped it out and all is well.

The off the loop is a matter of angle. If you move your flipper angle up slightly that helps.

The power loss, I haven't experienced, and I play my game on -2 so it feels more like an older game, lol.

-2 here.

Although MM was never RARE it was always in demand. Now anyone who wants one can have one so it's not like people are climbing over one another when one pops up anymore.

That said I don't see pinball people ever not wanting MMs. You list one for a fair price and I'm sure you'll get it. It's still a great game... it's just a great game you can have for 8K brand new now.

Did you ever catch that his mothers name was Moonchilde? I never did until I read about it on the web. I just thought he was screaming into the storm.

You could get an LE in “gold”, black or stainless. If it’s truly chrome, it’s an aftermarket upgrade and probably not a cheap one, I’d call it a value add.

Nope.

Personally I feel like if they want to release an XL version that’s fine, just remember us LE owners with a good sized consideration, especially if they already got us for the color upgrade.

Yup. Holds your flipper linkage together. Pretty important.

Same thing happened on mine. Easy fix.

There is no CE of MM. Just the LE for the first 1000 people, and now the Standard Edition, which is $8k.

No big screen for MMR... at least not yet. I wouldn’t imagine the next batch would be much different.

Right. So you need Master of Trolls, Defender of Damsels, Patron of the Peasants, Joust Champion, Castle Crusher and Catapult Ace to all be awarded.

For most of them, the trick is just good shooting, plus you get completions in Royal Madness.

For trolls, you really want to have Troll Madness when you start Multiball Madness, then you get a troll kill every time you get a troll jackpot.

Also while in multiball Madness you can hunt castles. Try to keep a ball cradled up on your right flip and just keep backhanding the drawbridge from the left.

Sounds a lot easier than it all is tho! Good luck!

Is your MMR rom up to date?

It may fix the dot if he’s having the time/date error..?

As for the display issue, probably not huh.

It’s because of the way the color mod works. Much like the actual color DMD it just overlays the new animation over the old, so if there are frame differences they come through like that.

I wish they’d go through and revise the MMR color code, there are a few other errors it it, like the way Merlin’s Magic has text that gets cut off.

Still, those are nitpicks and it’s pretty good as it is.

They’re still out there earning that money!

Nope, SEs ended up getting the same (or better) cabs than the LEs, as well as the extra PF clearcoat. All you really got with the LE was the plaque on the apron, $200 off your color chip, the shaker and your choice of trim color. But you actually didn’t pay any extra for an LE (they were just the first 1000 made) so that’s cool.

The newer ones get the melamine cabs they started using with AFMR. Whether that is truly better or not is up to you but I believe most people consider it an upgrade.

And yeah, I agree that makes sense, but the original idea was the LEs got upgraded cabs and PFs.

Yeah I rephrased that a little.

I’m sure it’s nice but I don’t think it’s so much better I need to sell my LE for an SE or anything, lol.

Picked up a gold "Williams" speaker panel at Pin A Go Go last weekend to replace the plain one on my MMR. I always heard it was a straight swap, and while they do look the same I didn't realize the whole thing is held together with some kind of press on washer. Anyone got any tips for removing the old screen cover and speaker grills from the old panel and reinstalling them on the new panel without totally destroying it?

The shaker is kinda cool but if my game hadn't come with one I don't think I'd feel the need to install one. Some people need that shaker tho...

The color is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY tho! Good call there.

Maybe the screen and topper but the RGB seems unlikely.

Boys, I think we got vaulted. Now we know how the OG MM owners feel, lol.

JP is a pretty cool game, your buds must have some high standards. But it won’t stay on top, it’s just getting that new game love.

Fingers crossed.

Sent you an email Rick, get me on them lists!

We came out okay here. The price to upgrade our LEs (and Standards) basically to Royal spec is still under the NIB price. Sure we kinda lose some cache by there being a more limited version now but I can live with that.

BTW, from what I was told since you have color the XL upgrade is cheaper, so you don’t lose that.

I don’t think you need to “prove you have it” as much as if you don’t have it the XL probably won’t work right. But I’m sure there’s a way, those CGC guys don’t seem to miss a trick.

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Not gonna need this it looks like so I’ll pass it on if anyone wants it PM me. $80 plus shipping. Brand new. Gold logo version.

At default power or have you moved it up in the CGC menu? Because even at default you should be punishing that ramp.

I’d make sure you have a little up down play in the flipper bat so you’re not binding on the bushing and make sure the coil stop is tight and not causing the coil to droop and create drag.