‘It’s still in development.’
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-there-any-new-info-on-mmr-xl-display-options/page/2#post-4945171

If they release it, it will likely be released as a kit. They don’t want to leave previous MMr buyers behind. Awhile back, Doug said something about how there would be no pricing advantage/disadvantage in buying an MMR today or in a year from now.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-there-any-new-info-on-mmr-xl-display-options#post-4399255

Can anyone confirm if the underside components on the newly produced MMr is identical to the machines produced originally when Stern was making them?

I’m on the wait list for the upcoming run (June/July) and I’m wondering if the GI is the same as the original MMr, like the AFMr, or like the components on MBr. There have been subtle changes in how the GI was wired from machine to machine from what I can tell (owning AFMr and MBr).

I have some Lermods in my possession and I’m getting the feeling I bought the wrong version of the backboard and trough lighting mods. I’d like to see a closeup of the MMr GI socket and I’m wondering if CGC has made any updates to the circuitry under the playfield.

Also, can anyone post a pic of how they connected their Lermod backboard and trough lighting mod on their MMr?

Thanks.

I’m hoping the next run of these is on the line soon.

Yeah, I’ve heard about the same so I appreciate the info. My distributor said ‘looks like June’ back in mid-April when I got my down payment in (I’m #4 on the list). The extra couple months wait isn’t all bad, but it’s hard to suppress anticipation when you finally get to that month you were thinking it was going to be and then they move the goal post again. I’m just one pin away from a dream collection I thought I’d never own....until they announce TOMr, IJr, TZr, or CCr (w/ finished code).

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/is-there-any-new-info-on-mmr-xl-display-options

Is the MMr 2019 run on the line yet?

I was just informed CGC has pushed the next round of MMr production to 'either Aug or Sept'.

The goal posts continue to move.

I emailed my distributor and he told me this. I got in line in April with a $2000 deposit down, was told June. Then news from the last convention...it would likely be after July 4th because they were ‘wrapping up MBr LE’s’ and ‘had to have MMr on the line by July 4th’.

I generally change my batteries with the clocks, but it depends on how often your games are off. As I understand, the batteries are only active for saving your settings/scores when the game has no power.

Agreed.

Since April, I’ve had a set of these in a box waiting for my 2019 MMr machine for precisely that reason.
https://themodcouplepinball.com/products/medieval-madness-new-barrel-lights-and-flickering-torches-mod-kit?_pos=1&_sid=1d32f2d9e&_ss=r

And with my luck, CGC will have updated all the GI lighting to completely align MMr with the other remakes and I’ll be sending all these wonderful mods back to their developers for compatibility reasons.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-with-a-large-screen-#post-5244205

Around the :58:00 mark, Ryan said that CGC is working with PPS to bring the Royal topper out for original MM owners as well, but w/o the interactivity...it’s a wait and see.

However, the Royal topper will be interactive with all of the remakes.

:47:37 mark in the stream...on upgrading original MMr’s with the new RGB lighting:

The original bulbs in the original MMr’s were socketed bulbs which you can undue from the bottom side. Basically you do a 1-1 replacement of those boards using a nut driver tool and you will be tracing the wires back to the main board. Obviously new code will be required as well.

The instructions for upgrading the lighting have not been finalized yet. Ryan said the kits will be available sometime in January.

Is this the SE with the XL DMD?

CGC has been awfully quiet since revealing the prototypes two months ago. By now, I expected more Pinsiders posting pictures of their new 2019 MMr editions, CGC’s website would reflect the new edition, and more communication from distributors confirming shipping details.

Sounds like you just need to re-add them in the app. The lights strobe like you described if they got intentionally or unintentionally power cycled abruptly. Instructions for doing this is on their website.

It's about time. It looks great...now start shipping them please!

Latest info I got is that the ‘parts’ that are holding up the delivery of the newer MMr editions are related to the reworking of the gate/drawbridge mechanism. I did not get specifics as to why. They are still ‘two weeks out’ from shipping. Same timeline predicted...SE’s and the CE’s...then the Royal editions ship.

Until I hear of anybody getting final invoiced, I’m not believing anything CGC says anymore about expected shipping.

I mean come on already...how about releasing some official communication rather than leaving your distributors to field concerns from buyers with deposits in for over a year? If you’re going to keep moving the goal posts month after month, at least be upfront with your customers please. Yeah, I got it...Pinball is hard.

My distributor (and many were) taking deposits for a MMr 2019 run over a year ago. Distributors were taking deposits on machines based on their expected allocation. The fact that CGC changed course and decided to align the machine to the other remakes doesn’t change when we had deposits in. The understanding we had was, I want a MMr regardless, but IF they came up with something updated, then I would want to be in line for that.

Now if I paid a deposit for Keith Elwin BTTF trilogy tomorrow, that would be putting a deposit on a MAYBE.

PM them. I sent my mods back to Rob for retrofitting. Lermods gives great customer service! I have all their MMr mods.

When I got them back, he had installed new connectors that connect all four of their mods to the game’s power supply terminal.

If you have the blue dragon, the dragon will not work as those are 6v bulbs. The Merlin, catapult and Archer should work, but they will need to be retrofitted.

NOTE: the picture is from a different product, but you get the idea.

With the new wiring, they now all tap here...
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Page 1-4 in your manual. 6.5 degrees.

Nope

What’s the secret to getting the SE and Royal editions added to the machine list so we can add to our ‘collections’?

I’ve PM’d Robin twice and no response.

They added an drain outhole protector. The rest are Cliffy compatible...so skip the Cliffy drain outhole protector and get the rest. Cliffy doesn't make a Merlin hole protector.

EDIT: The remakes don't require ramp protectors, they come with those anyways.

Actually, since April 2019. Chicago 'delayed' Company.

We are officially in JJPOTC territory now.

I ordered from GAP and I can’t even get a reply as to what is going on. Has the stay @ home order prevented people from answering emails now too? This would be my fourth NIB machine I’ve purchased from GAP and I feel like I’ve been put on ignore.

Every other business in the world emails regular CVD19 updates and what they’re doing to take care of their customers in the interim...and I get them almost daily. Apparently pinball makers and distributors are exempt from the same customer service.

I’ve watched the Marc Savard and Tennler YT videos (probably) dozens of times over the last 12 months...watching them neurotically wait for their delivery and then their reactions on the day it finally arrived was hilarious.

But now, I get it and I should probably record my own reaction because it will be epic (if it ever arrives).

Well, after seeing TimBoch MMr SE...I can tell you the electronics in the backboard are different than MBr, but this is where the topper goes on MBr.

Seeing as how you are one of a select few to get one...help from the forum members will likely be just between you three.

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Got notice for final payment...shipping next week!!!

I PM’d Robin twice. No response.

My Royal was shipped last Friday, May 1st. I just got off phone with ABS freight this morning, May 4th.

The phone rep says the following, 'Unfortunately, we are too booked up to deliver your item tomorrow and the earliest we can deliver it to you is Monday, May 11th between 9am-6pm.'

Another week of waiting.

Status: In Transit
YOUR SHIPMENT IS AT SOUTH CHICAGO, IL LOADED TO MINNEAPOLIS, MN AND IS READY FOR DISPATCH.

I know, more time for it to just sit around and get banged into, or dropped.

Yeah, tracking still shows it in Chicago. It may not be a matter of picking it up in Eagan, it's a matter of getting it out of Chicago.

I think you should get a bonus for getting the ball up there...eat your heart out NGG hole-in-one shot.

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Yeah, I should...only problem is that 90% of our fleet (Delta Connection) is currently parked because no one is flying.

We went from handing out little plastic wings to all the kiddos...to handing out surgical masks and gloves.

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With the help of my friend @timboch, we picked up Royal #4074 today rather than waiting until Monday because the freight company couldn’t get us a truck with a lift gate until then. Very happy to have it FINALLY in the collection. That was a long 13 month wait.

Mine seems to have an issue retaining time/date after its powered off and then back on though (credit dot says so in TEST)

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Every time I power off my MMr Royal and then power back on, I get the credit dot and it says 'Date and Time not Set'.

Re-setting it in the utilities menu retains the date and time until I power off.

My MMr Royal info says:
Software Version: 3.0.0 Beta 3
Build Date: Feb 27, 2020
Playfield Firmware Rev: 3.0
SPI Status: Good

Busy day for me...installed a set of Cliffy's, PinStadium Lights, and most of the Lermods modifications.

Weird things still going on with the date/time. I'm not getting the credit dot to re-set them after a power cycle, but now they are not advancing with the power off. Essentially, the date/time is whatever it was when I powered off the machine.

EDIT: I just installed a new CR2032 coin battery and power cycled the machine and it held the date/time for the first time. Hmmm..

EDIT: Nope, the date/time still seems to stay at whatever it was when I powered off the machine.

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Anybody getting balls stuck behind the right troll or in the damsel tower after a damsel rescue?

Yah, it had a ramp. We're old.

I got a PM (thank you!) about a possible chip visible below the picture I posted below my right troll on my MMR Royal. I thought I'd post a picture here to rest any concerns...that's not a chip.

I gave the playfield a good wax after I unboxed it and it was just some leftover wax that I failed to clean up.

The build quality on the MMR 2019/'20 editions is IMO the standard premium product that CGC has delivered in the past. The only issues I've had out of the box has been the adjustment I had to make to the metal bracket on the back of the right troll and the plastic lip inside the damsel tower mold, both of which I documented just a few posts above this one.

My only gripe about this transaction is the same that's been made about CGC many times...CGC consistently takes forever to go from the game announcement to finally shipping a game, and during that time they offer almost no regular communication on production updates, especially when they repeatedly miss previously proposed production dates, and CGC keeps their distributors clueless so they can't accurately advise their customers of anything related to status, leaving customers like me extremely frustrated. When CGC does finally get the game in your hands...you cannot question the build quality. It’s always a premium product. The MM Royal Editions is their best effort to date. It was definitely worth the wait, but it was the most painful wait I've yet experienced with my NIB collection to date.

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There is no Cliffy for the MM merlin hole, but there does exist a protector for the merlin hole:
https://www.pinbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=186

The Cliffy's for the original MM will fit the MMR. The MMR SE and Royals are coming with outhole drain protectors already installed, so if you're buying the Cliffy MM kit, you can skip the outhole protector. Right now, I have an extra Cliffy for the outhole.

Here's what the pre-installed outhole drain looks like on the SE and Royal:

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Oops, my bad. You’re right. I was thinking in the terms of his metal protectors.

I opened a ticket with CGC on the date/time not holding while the game is powered off. The response I got was that I should replace the CR2032 battery. So I did. Initially, there was no change in behavior, but I may have been premature on assuming it was not fixed. The last couple days, the date/time clock seems to be running in the background while the machine is powered off. The tech did say he was going to escalate to an engineer before I realized the date/time was moving normally, albeit slow.

TimBoch reported what looked like white grease on the back of his stock CR2032 Battery and it was on the board too when he went to clean it off with a Q-tip. I had a bit of that white grease on my battery too, but I didn’t think about checking the board at the time.

The other remakes in my collection have not had a date/time advancement problem.

No, no numbered plaques.

CGC Ryan has said in the past that the production of the new MMr editions was going to be limited to 500, but the number of Royals specifically produced out of that 500 was not limited. Might be 40, might be 350..so who knows? After this run, he said MM remakes would be ‘done for ahwile’. He didn’t say they would never be made again, but he said CGC would be ‘moving on to something else’.

Owners of the original run of MMr can order the upgraded GI, topper, ‘enhanced’ sound system, and the HD upgraded display and essentially make their machine a Royal Edition as well. I suppose the only thing left would be to add mirror blades, add a shaker, and powder coat all of the armor...that’s essentially a Royal Edition right there.

I got it from here:
ebay.com link: Medieval Madness Remake Pinball 3D DAMSEL Princess Mod Pink Or Blue MM MMR

He also sells a lighting kit (I did not buy), but I would question if it's compatible with the new editions as the GI in the SE/Royal editions is different:
ebay.com link: MEDIEVAL MADNESS Pinball Damsel Light Mod MMR REMAKE

I was removing some leftover wax that had worked its way under the starposts of my slingshots. When I was removing the uppermost starpost bolt/nut, I didn't realize it shared the anchor that goes thru and helps secure the left playfield safety bracket.

The other starposts bolts are secured differently than this one, and so when I went to remove it, I over-torqued the bolt and it broke.

I need the part# replacement and can't find it in the manual.

EDIT: Found the part...
Post stud 8-32 x 2-3/8 inches 5/16 drive
#02-4425-1

In the meantime, I guess I'll pay the hardware store a visit.

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This is the required post:
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/02-4425-3

I’ve had no issues with my internal clock on my RE since replacing with my own CR2032 battery. In replacing it, I also noticed a white (almost adhesive) grease substance on the back of that battery. The board seemed okay, but TimBoch tried cleaning his with an alcohol swabbed Q-tip and that didn’t fix the problem on his game.

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Maybe a coil hold problem? Sounds eerily similar to what I had going on with my AFMr.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/attack-from-mars-remake-afmr-technical-thread/page/9#post-5540291

Can you switch the coils and see if problem follows?

Yes, I’ve installed on my machine.

Here’s an idea: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/new-pin-stadium-lights-official-announcement/page/95#post-5047266

For those interested...they’ve finally been added to the Pinside machine list.

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I had a bit of wear forming on mine. I have the mantis installed on mine.

NOTE: if you email mantis, you can order the protectors you want separately. You don’t have to buy the kit. I could not get the mantis in the Merlin hole without it inhibiting the ball eject, so I removed it.
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https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-owners-club-all-things-mmr-discussed/page/118#post-5636214

I’m still trying to figure out why that (my) post received a downvote.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mmr-owners-club-all-things-mmr-discussed/page/122#post-5661848

Installed acrylic speaker grills received from @kapsreiter.

Pro Tip: Don’t fully remove all four anchor screws at the same time. Makes the install much easier!

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If you’re asking about TheModCouple barrel mod, I have an unused NIB set that I will sell for $69 + shipping.

I learned I couldn’t use it because it’s not compatible w/ the MMRE updated GI and it doesn’t appear that it will be updated.

PM me if interested. Pics available on request.

https://themodcouplepinball.com/collections/medieval-madness-custom-mods-collection/products/medieval-madness-new-barrel-lights-and-flickering-torches-mod-kit

Probably related to your drain protector. I took mine off, bent it back into shape and re-installed.

Nice. I have those same barrel spots from TheModCouple. Was intending on using them on my RE, but as you know, it requires some modification to work and I haven’t done that yet.