absolutely since the topics discussed will eventually impact you. I absolutely love my MMR but the one thing that bugs me is the scoop for Merlin's castle. I get it in maybe once every 5 shots. Maybe there is a way to adjust it.

Great job on the repair end of things, I will be looking forward to the mods that will be eventually coming our for MMR and hope that people can post them here so we can be all aware of them. I saw someone create a Williams logo to be placed on the speaker panel to look like the original, it was sweet.

What do you guys think of Mike Chestnut's gold MMr trimming?

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I like it. Game is Imeh's

can you post a pic of what you did? I figured it was the same problem on the originals too.

People have used ball dead drop foam.

http://www.pinbits.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=131

I can honestly say that this is an amazing pin and well worth the price and wait. I love this pin so much that I will be getting all of Chicago gaming/PPS games in the future. When guests come who are non pinheads ,so no bias based on ratings, they naturally gravitate to the MMR. I played an old MM a couple of months ago and almost cancelled my order. I'm so glad I didn't. Its my favorite pin and have absolutely no regrets at all with it.

I really like to put a Williams logo back on MMR but I have 2 questions.

1) Is it worth 99 Euros plus shipping?
2) Can a speaker panel for MM fit a MMR?

It does look cool though.

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Where did you get yours from. Isn't there a way to just get the logo only? I mean I would buy a logo for $50 instead of 99 euros plus shipping for an entire speaker panel.

I think the sound from the stock speakers are quite good, I may install an external sub if anything.

You know I never thought of that before. Why didn't I buy two of them. Oh well my MMr is a keeper as well and I will most likely be buried in it when I hit my 90's.

Lets see some High scores on MMR. I got the King of Payne and Royal madness in the same game.

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Most of the issues are common NIB stuff. The vast majority can be solved by the owner like loose connectors etc. Mine has absolutely no problems so far, knock on wood. The latest issue trending is the slingshot chipping of the playfield which I honestly don't think is that big a deal from most of the pics I have seen. I wouldn't have noticed if it wasn't pointed out to me. I just have to say that PPS/CG did an amazing job on MMR and I will definitely look forward to their other re-releases.

I'm not sure what criteria they use to who gets pins shipped to them. I am very surprised that a large number of games made it to Canada from the first batch. I was told that the demand for MMR was overwhelming and that many of the resellers were allotted half of what they ordered and were not extended reseller discounts. In some cases they sold more MMR's than were available. In theory the easiest course of action would be to double up the numbers of the LE's and hopefully nobody would notice. Labnip is keeping a record of the numbers with owners so at least that course would be difficult for them to get away with. I think there was one doubling found, hopefully it was a typo. In the end, the longer you wait, you get a machine with many of the issues ironed out already.

Just put some mirror sides on the MMR. It looks better than the black but its not as big a deal as some of the other games that have a lot of GI along the edges.

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It looks alright but its not a grand slam like some of my other pins. I think pins with a lot of peripheral GI lighting will benefit greatly from mirror blades. I'm wondering which mod to do next that would really make a difference.

I saw my son playing with his medieval figurines that he absolutely loves more than anything else and I thought that they would make wonderful additions to MMR. So I waited until he went to school and seized the opportunity to drill them, attach a few brackets to them and mount them to the game. I think they made for a great mod. My son will get over it in a few months or so but look how nice they look.

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Thanks guys, I might add a peasant, and I had a catapult that was really nice but it was just too big. The wizard looks so much like the castle wizard I just couldn't resist. I'm trying to figure out what my next mod should be. Man MMR is such an awesome machine, I'm definitely getting all of CG/PPS rereleases.

I put these balls in my MMr , I'm not sure if it was necessary or even recommended but as long as it does no harm than its ok i guess.

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Yup had to give him the whole MMr to make him happy.

It looks gorgeous, so nice that I thought it was an MMr

I don't know if its a cheat but I'm simply going to leave the Merlin scoop alone because it allows me to complete all the different madnesses before I actually want to shoot it in Merlin scoop. If it really bugs me in the future I will add some dead soft foam to the back of the scoop. I think the addition of a few spot lights is a great Idea.

Sweet welcome to the Club !!! Wow in Stainless too. I just bought some spotlights and will do the Frolic mod this weekend.

So it looks like the colorization of MMr is in the works and is expected to be done by Oct of this year. Based on the hardware that CGC has to work with, the colorization has the potential to be absolutely spectacular. I'm betting they are really going to wow us. Hopefully Rick can come in here to update us owners on its progress. I'm stoked.

really o-din, you gotta come in here too and rattle our cage?

if they did, it would cement MMr's place as the greatest pin ever created by human hands.

Yah i noticed that you conveniently left out the words "MMr owners club" but I forgive you..You are free to go.

The usual guys that bash MMr like Teekee and RobT, I understand their pain. Look at their collections an you will typically find at least one potential remake pin like MB or AFT. They are bitter because they lost a lot of money and lash out at MMr and their owners. O-din is actually not a bad guy and judging by his collection, is a bit of an enigma for me in that I don't understand why he actively slams MMr. He doesn't fit the typical MMr basher. Maybe one day I'll pm him to find out what is really bugging him.

I just got through video mode and killed over 20 birds. An EE with wings appeared, its a shame I didn't kill it but I was wondering what that was or did?

Thanks Rarehero, I guess it was an EB, by that time my eyes were getting all blurry but I couldn't blink or I would miss a bird.

The factory settings are set too hard. I think you need to spell fire 7 times or something. I dropped it to its minimum amount I think 3 which gives me a video mode every 15-20 games I play. frequent enough to enjoy yet rare enough to keep it a special treat.

CGC specializes in video games. I wonder if they would look at that video mode and want to beef it up to something really cool. They certainly have the hardware to do so.

Imagine rescuing the princess with this kind of animation.

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There's a Barnyard Madness? Whats that, how do you get it?

Wow I just woke up this morning to see the new animations...holy crap they are so amazing. It was weird that I was speculating just an hour before the announcement and then wham. This is excellent news for all of us owners and a big shout out to CGC for this upgrade.

You can easily attach extra lighting to the existing GI. I fed the spotlight wires through then attached clips to them then clipped to an existing nearby GI under playfield with no problems. I personally like my games brighter. I'm not aware of any more mods that can only work with MM that MMr doesn't already have or is on the way except for lit troll eyes. Even that if you got the guts to drill them out yourself and fish the wires through, it too can be done again attached to existing GI's.

The fabled black trim has begun shipping.
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December release is the last we heard. Hope we get it before Christmas.

I did for one of my other machines but I don't think its worth it if its HUO. It's some kind of mylar and difficult to peel off.

Yellow looks great

I like the flipper strength on default. It seems to match the Sterns in terms of strength and needs to be strong enough to make all the ramp shots with ease.

Have you guys checked out the 3D translites for MM & MMR?

http://www.pinball-dreams.com/transfer/3d/mm.gif

Congrats on the new game. What angle are you keeping the pins at. 6.5 degrees pitch is what I keep it at and it seems to flow pretty good.

I'm on the fence regarding the 3D translite, just not sure how the back lighting will affect it. Maybe a special lighting mod may be needed in the backbox to enhance it like in the tron 3D translite.

Nice job Reg on that trim, looks beautiful. Maybe I will do the same but for now I feel too attached to my "odd gold" edition.

blades are not a problem. See post 50 and 51

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I got a bag of chunks of my stairs that the delivery guys gouged bringing the pin to my basement. It was the most incompetent pin delivery I have ever seen. I normally move pins myself but for warranty issues and for MMR in particular I let them bring it downstairs for me and set it up just in case there were problems. They shoved my other pins aside while they were still plugged in and busted the outlet that they were attached to as well as severely bending the plugs on 2 of my machines.

yes in the settings

I set it to its minimum and for the last 8 months, I only got video mode 2 times with one being from Merlins castle. Would be nice if they could fix that on the update to make it available after spelling FIRE 3X or something like that. I think that is the right spot.

I actually never thought of that, I was simply relying on the accidental rollovers when the ball went to the outlanes. I still think an option to set it at 3X would be good since I have never seen any of my guests ever get that video mode. Some of my guests are league guys as well and they have never done it either at 5X. Besides, don't you like seeing that farmer pitchfork those turkeys or whatever the hell those three pixels are.

1000 LE's were made and are currently sold out. You can order the Standard edition which are only available by pre-order through your local retailer or PPS. With the rate at which they are being made you might get one by Christmas.

would of been nice if CGC posted it in an "owners" thread.

Digital levels are a must for any pin collection. Sterns set at 6.5 degrees perfectly every time.

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Those balls sure fly around a lot. my pf is starting to look like the surface of the moon.

absolutely love it. Butif you won't take my cash can you at least teach us how to do it.

I added a polk audio PSW10 to my MMR. It made the sound much deeper and richer. I would recommend it. You can actually "feel" the hit of the castle.

I drilled and screwed brackets on my figurines then simply attached them to any of the existing screws that were closest to where I wanted to place them. The shaker motor really does a number on anything that isn't fastened very well on the machine so for me screw is better than glue.

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That's a ballsy move, I would attempt it if I had a second set to screw around with.

Unscrew the 4 nuts holding the speaker and the mesh under it. Get a piece of speaker wire about 10 feet long and fish about 2 feet of it under the mesh from under the cab. Attach alligator clamps to each of the 2 wires inside the cab, one red and one black. Clip each of the wires to the different poles of the speaker. Just make sure you don't mix polarity keep blacks with blacks and whites with whites. Finally attach the other end to the back of the sub. Adjust the sub to your taste.

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Some of you may get a rattle sound when adding the sub. The solution is to simply put one or two strips of masking tape along the edge of the glass and trim off the excess. No more rattle and all the great rich bass sound.

Enjoy

Works absolutely perfect the way its input, so if it ain't broke don't fix All my machines are set up the same way with polk audio psw 10's under them. You can hook 2 machines per speaker as well but you lose the fine tuning you get with each if you do that. Since one pin might need more bass than another than it decreases the optimum effect.

That looks awesome, where exactly did you put the strip? I cant tell at all.

Latest I heard that its all being put into the same code update and that the code is essentially complete, not sure what the delay is for.

Anyone get a chance to check out the color display at the Texas pinball show?

I like mine

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Cliffy's are a very controversial subject. Some swear by them while others think its overkill. I personally think in a HUO environment that its not really necessary. Maybe after 15-20 years of use there will some wear and by that time you are ready to buy MMRLE2.0 VE. I'm already on the preorder list.

I think you need a PHD to follow those instructions. It really goes to section L with multiple steps in each section. No thanks, I'd rather live with the overly bright insert lights.

I think I heard a Mortal Combat reference in one of the callouts as well

On a separate note I heard that next week is the big release for the software update and color.

I did BFTK and beat it on my birthday. First and only time with otal play time about 50 mins . I still remember that final scene of the king of payne's eyes and screaming as his castle was destroyed. Took me at least an hour after to get off that adrenaline rush. I too was shaking. I will be celebrating my one year anniversary with MMR, maybe I will get a cake with candles.

Best game in the universe!

Welcome to the club of the most amazing pinball machine in the universe!

AC/DC and TWD are great games as well, certainly in my top 10 but did not strike a cord with me the way MMR does. I just didn't like the theme of TWD will all those zombies, I have small children that hate zombies. AFM is good too and will definitely be getting AFMR but MMR has a bit more going for it. Now TAF I had for a month and had to get rid of it. I figured a way to shoot the bear ramp then to uncle fester. I was able to tour the mansion every game I played and averaged over 1 billion every game. My high score was 2.6 billion with very little effort. Shame I found that exploit because I really liked the callouts.

Have you tried MMR with a 10"sub?......sweet.

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Agreed, I really don't understand why they bother with the standard. seems like the 1000 LE's is just about the right amount to meet the demand. They will probably sell about 250 standards though which I suppose is actually more "limited".

There is absolutely no doubt that the slow pace of manufacturing these pins has really pissed off a lot of people to the point where many walked away from their preorders. You really can't blame them, I would walk too if I had to wait 2 years for Ghostbusters or any other pin for that matter. That's why some distributors have a few LE's available including Starburst in Toronto having 4 of them.

Its best for CGC to limit future titles to 1000 units, make them QUICKLY and move on to the next title. Timing is everything, if CGC had completed 2000 units 2 years ago, they would have completely sold out. I just hope for CGC sake that they have learned from this experience and made the necessary changes for their next release.

I know I know, but the fact that the bottom is made of plywood just seems to make it a different game. I'm playing the game and Im saying "wow I can really feel the effect of the plywood instead of MDF on the bottom of this pin". I walk down the street and strangers come up to me and say "hey you are the guy with plywood under your cab instead of MDF, can I have your autograph!". Birds chirp and land on my shoulder and flowers seem to bloom too as I walk by. Sometimes I sleep under my MMr looking up at the plywood too. Yup, I don't know what life would be like if I didn't have that plywood under my MMr.

Wow that looks sick erak! Nice job on those troll eyes. How much was the second set and where did you get them from?

Yah easy...

That's optimistic. I have a feeling we will be waiting a very long time for anything from CGC.

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MMR at PAGG

Maybe Lyman Sheats can shed some light on it since he did the original programming. If he is going to Replay FX at the end of July, I will ask him.

Finally, someone is going to make these. Add me to the list.

an opportunity to get a Willyamz sticker for your MMR wink wink.

That really sucks, well at least they didn't send you a giant box full of parts and ask you to put together your own MMr.

Anyone tried out the new software update yet. Its not as easy as updating on a Stern but at least its something.

http://chicago-gaming.com/mmr_update.php

Its probably best to wait until V2.1 since the 2.0 has a minor issue with the flippers altering the lighting.

Rut from what I understand according to Rick, the V2.1 will be out in a day. So no need to rush. And after that, it would be best for the early adopters of the new code to "test" it for all of us. Last thing we need is a code update that actually makes things worse.

If you didn't notice any problems with your MMR like tearing, overly bright inserts, Date Time Stamp resetting every once in a while then you wouldn't notice any difference with the new code. Some claimed the sound was clearer but I didn't hear a problem with it before anyway. I think this new code was to address those minor issues but mainly to have everyone have the colorization code on their machines to be turned on at a later date presumably when CGC has figured a way to charge for it. We are still not sure if that will be a hardware or software driven solution.

I agree, software is an easier and much more cost effective way to enable colorization but given the demographics of the pinball community, a software solution would be hacked within days. A proprietary hardware solution is the only way to ensure that it would not be hacked and that the maximum number of people purchase the colorization.

So pricing has finally come out on colorization. $199 for LE owners and $399 for Standard owners. I think that it's fair considering that its not just colorization but a complete redraw of the animations and they threw the early LE owners a bone with a discount.

The release statement says top go to planetary's website but I cant find anywhere where I can buy the upgrade. Online Store?

The colorization has been ready for some time now, I think they will meet the deadline of a week or two. Not sure if I registered yet but I re-registered just in case. I want that colorization soooooo bad.

That looks awesome!

did they include the update on a chip as well or just the hardware only?

So is knocking to indicate that the software has been successfully updated and that results in a blown F4?

And it gets better especially when you battle for the kingdom and hear the blood curdling screams of the King of Payne being destroyed...priceless...errr $8000US.

That phone takes some awesome pics and I must say that you have chosen your subject material wisely.

It seems strange how some people have the date/time issue more frequently than others. I personally had it 4 times over a 1 year period. Assuming that the games are identical, I wonder if a difference in line voltage has an effect on it. I only have 2 games per circuit. Taylor, how many machines do you have on the same circuit as your MMR?

Could it be that there is something else on that line such as AC/Furnace, bar fridge etc or even a couple of power hungry EM's. Sometimes electricians cheap out and put several outlets all over a basement on the same circuit. I had that problem and the Time/date stamp problem seemed to occur in that environment. Since then I had an electrician come over and put dedicated circuits with each outlet connected to its own circuit all over my basement. Its been 4 months now and still no date/time stamp issue.

I agree, this doesn't seem like a software issue. If it was then we should all be experiencing the issue exactly the same with the same frequency. My suspicion is that the onboard ram of the beaglebone is much more sensitive to voltage fluctuations than the standard WPC boards and even a slight drop in voltage somehow corrupts the stored data on that ram.

I agree with mschonbrun, its possible that the cliffy is impinging the catapult arm closest to its fulcrum preventing it from making its full swing forward. I had a similar problem with my Tron in that it prevented a switch from coming up all the way. Try removing it and see if it returns to normal. Looking from the top of the catapult check alignment with the wireframe. Some of the shots in the video are clearly sending the ball off the rails which may suggest a possible alignment problem. Can you take a picture looking straight down the catapult from the top without the ball? Mine is actually slightly to the left of the center of the wireframe. Definitely remove the cliffy first before doing anything more invasive.

I think the real question to ask is was the catapult working before you took it apart and installed the cliffy? If so then the problem is not with the coil but with how you put everything back.