OMG the drama!! Surprised we didn’t get a Hitler video out of it.

Can you tell me why I should buy Royal instead of buying 2 Stern pros (Maiden + SW for example). 6 flippers instead of 2.

I’m truly asking, I love MM but love other pins too.

I understand $10k is baller money but if sold down the road hard to lose more than $1500 ish. So it’s not that bad.

you sir may buy whatever pleases you.

I was a bit on the fence with that as well- getting two Pro's for slightly more - but then you look at what MM is and the fact that Stern is having playfield issues and they look like a mine field after a few hundred plays - it makes the new MMrRE make sense

I know that just asking if you had to make an argument in favor of MM Royal.

Because of great tech support. Should you ever need it. Which isn't likely with CGC's quality. They really stepped up their game.

LTG : )

LTG you are correct. My AFM LE had one minor issue was such a pleasure both in it being nearly trouble free but excellent support.

It was definitely noticeable. Still is. When lit, the king's men inserts are unreadable. My machine shipped with razor sharp side rails as well. I used a Bright Boy to dull the edges but they were shipped dangerously sharp and I had 2 kids under the age of 5. This was before CGC set up their own facilities and stopped contract manufacturing. My inserts were also, it seems, sanded for clear coat adhesion I imagine, but the inserts looked crackled as a result. Knowing exactly what it is though, I am not put off by it. Anyway, I love that pin, MMR. Lots of work putting in the Cliffys, Pinbits and Mantis protectors, but well worth the effort. CGC isn't perfect but I have been very happy with my MMR purchase 3 years ago.

Owning all three, I would tell you from my personal perspective to buy the Maiden and SW if you had to choose. Not that MM isn't really fun, but it's not as fun as those two (bang for your buck wise). Fortunately I didn't have to make that choice and I can dish advice that I don't have to then take myself lol.

Nope, for me MMRRE is absolutely gorgeous and it was a no brainer to sell my LE to finance A Royal all brand new with all the bells and whistles and a 2 year warranty.

Agreed.

all I can tell you is my MMR AFMR are the most reliable games in my collection.

Buy the $8000 mmr. Then you have the game pinside says is the best of all time for not much more than a stern pro. For me, I love it and my kid loves it. It's extremely challenging and doesn't have what I consider are silly playfield multiplier gimmicks like those two games you mention. Everyone is different though

I think you mean Stern Premium.

If you're asking, then I would suspect the answer is don't buy MMr anything.....the game is not inexpensive, and will never win a "two for the price of one" fiscal debate.

Can't get past the "true ask" in this case, except to understand why some would choose to spend more on something they want over something else that is less appealing for them. Buying these things are personal decisions, and one size doesn't fit all (thankfully).

I genuinely thought an owners thread would really have more excitement for this offering, as they've made a great version available to those that don't have one, while "doing square" for existing MMr owners. Instead, it's drifting to an "oranges vs. apples" discussion.

No drama, just typical Pinside....have to take it in doses.

Here’s something hilarious...this wacky Pinsider went into the JJPOTC fan club to give me 15 downvotes a little earlier because she received one from me above and for saying it’s uncool to say another pinsider is jealous about MMR RE. Wow, I’ve been trolled, hidden in an old thread! Seriously, that’s wacky.

Mmmhmmmmmmm

Congrats, you are now responsible for 23 percent of my downvotes! Thanks for the honor! To dance around other less wealthy Pinsiders and mock them or taunt over your acquisition of a royal edition is just uncool. That’s why I spoke up. Wacky, be nice. Moderator time.

Your 50 downvotes of other Pinsiders today have been reversed. See, the system works.

Ok.

I’m sorry. I’m just giddy over MMRRE, apparently some people are super sensitive about downvotes. Sorry

Not really to downvotes so much as to trolling behavior. More concerned that some Pinsiders may mock or taunt others who are less fortunate. It takes some extra energy to go deep into threads to downvote people on things the troll doesn’t even care about, and that behavior is worth pointing out. You’re getting a nice MMR, that’s great, but it would have been a good idea to upgrade your LE. It’s the same thing.

It doesn’t take extra work. It’s easy........and my down votes are just my opinion

Whatever, Wacky. I’m done here.

Just for perspective. What has you all fired up is my response to someone who said:
Based on review of these posts, “ LE’s” and “RE’s” are more about “look what I’ve got” or “look at me” than enjoying and playing pinball.

I was simply replying to mockery with mockery, you’ve taken things to a whole new level with your threats of intimidation. I’m not a bully, as you’ve implied in your numerous PMs to me.

Wacky, whatever. I pm’d to ask for peaceful avoidance. Enough. Off to do other things.

I accept your apology

Apologies if it has been asked already, bit does anyone know of the topper would work on an original MM?

Unfortunately no, different electronics

No software support in MM either for the light show.

LTG : )

You mad bro?

I know this is an owners thread. I never said one thing bad about MM, I’m soliciting opinions from owners who feel it’s one of the best pins. It’d be like if I was going to buy a Porsche, I’d go to a Porsche forum and ask a question what makes it so special. I wouldn’t go to a Miata forum and ask if I should buy a Porsche.

Personally, I think the SE is the best value. That's a LOT of extra stuff for $1k. Larger DMD and better sound add quite a bit to the overall experience of the game. For people who want to spend another $1K for a topper and trim, they can as well. I don't quite buy the "interactive" topper part, but when you're spending $9K what's another $1K at that point.

I’ll likely be in on an SE. The topper although nice, doesn’t do anything for me personally. I also prefer the Tilt blades over the mirrored ones.

Apologize if I missed this mentioned already: Is there a sound upgrade over early SEs? This is the only thing I feel is lacking on my 3 yr old machine.

Hmmmm... Maybe I'll get the topper and just wire in some LED strips!

Also, anyone interested in purchasing a spare moat for MMR? I no longer have the game, but I know the most on my MM eventually cracked, so have a replacement is a pretty good idea.

They're $89 on Planetary, but I'll sell for $70. PM if interested. Will ship anywhere in Canada/USA.

http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PPS-A-21703

I went in for the Royal. I wanted everything in SE, but I wanted the topper as well. That would have made the difference $350. I was likely going to later on get the shaker motor. The reason I then picked Royal over SE + upgrades is that it was like 150-200 more for double the warranty, which is worth it in my opinion.

Totally agree. Hopefully there’s a software update available to everyone for improved sound.

No, not at all, Pinbud.....re-read my post, realizing I was touching on several items in there...all good

Your analogy does hit precisely on my confusion of ask however.....suspect if you went in a Porsche forum as they were talking about their "new and shiney" (worth more than all of our collections) asking if it was worth it compared to (2x) Miatas, Corvettes, etc. it would be hard to gain insight.

MM, now MMr is what it is in the pinball world.. a desirable and relatively expensive machine. I'm in on the RE as I don't own an MM or MMr, and this version is very appealing to me. So it's worth it to me, over (2x) other machines of equal "value"( a subjective word). My pinball addiction searches for machines that scratch an itch that my others don't...so I look at them differently. That's just me.

Hope that clears up my perspective a bit, and good luck, regardless of your direction.....

Got it.

I’m going through my own debate, love all my current pins and need to decide if I want to sell one in order to get MM or just keep all and add a cheaper pin.

Well, my positive pinside rating went from 96 to 84% after posting in the non--owner thread about the new MMr changes over some initial concerns and misunderstanding of how CCG was handling the changes for existing owners.

This site can be odd at times. I no longer comment in that thread and I learned there can be some pettiness mixed in with a mob mentality sometimes if a post is misinformed or against others prevailing ideas or opinions of a thread.

... What is this 'pinside rating'?

It isn't a big deal. Percentage of how many up or down votes your posts have received over time.

Fellas, fellas, let’s put this all behind us so we can get back to being loathed by all the original MM owners as a cohesive unit.

Huh. Never knew that was a thing. Okay then.

LOL. I guess it is our turn.

I do think part of the reaction there was that I was an owner concerned about my game's value dropping based on the changes.

The other part was me expressing that I was happy they were keeping the price structure basically the same for MMr instead of dropping it to AFM r & MBr levels. Dont think that is a sentiment many in that thread share.

Some people are psycho about their thumbs up/down rating. I had a guy go off on me last night over it and he whined to the moderators and they reversed all of my thumbs down for the day. So stupid. I think if people can't handle it and they start moderating thumbs up/down then just get rid of the whole stupid thing.

Essentially an LE owner will have a serialized plaque pronouncing it a limited edition and with the upgrades you basicallly have a limited edition Royal.

I'm doing it for the armor, black mirror blades and that new in box smell again, oh and the 2 years of warranty.