Games coming out of HEP are decalled. I wouldn't call anything that made it's way through that shop downgraded.

If you love (Insert anything you can imagine here) and the money is not an issue I would get it.

Decals are decals. Still a downgrade. I think he clearcoats his decals to help them try and take a little more abuse.

Sorry everyone... MM is one of my and alot of friends favourites

Isn't the upside to decals that they can print at a higher resolution and level of detail that you can't do directly screened to the cab? Or was that an old Williams thing.

Decals are fine, lots of games had them, they might not be quite as durable but anyone buying this game is going to protect them. This is a non issue.

they are the same printing on either. It's the fragile aspect and the leg crinkling that sucks and the bubbling, or peeling, or just losing the adhesive properties over time. I've had some with decals, that could be peeled off like piss poor wallpaper off an old house.

I don't know anything about adhesive issues, but the new style Stern bracket protectors are genius and will be installed when I get the game. Along with Mantis protectors (if I can get them to fit), and clear plastic protectors.

the plastic ones are garbage all around. The ones that extend outside of the edges of your legs, will do more damage in areas that can't be covered.

But I agree the metal stern ones that go inside the legs will protect and solve crinkle issues. They are fantastic.

I agree and feel the same, except I would never say never....its great to have that same old feeling again.

Good thing PPS is remaking them, mine is here for life

Just since the new code came out on Metallica & getting a STLE 2 weeks ago

I set my personal limit at what I would pay for a new game at $7500 last year when Stern started their crazy pricing. I am going to stick with that limit. With that in mind Hobbit will probably be my last NIB game.

I'm done with these new higher prices.

I can't find any information about machines actually being sent to people that have bought in. When should people begin to expect to receive their machines?

I heard mid to late Q4.

Anyone know if LE preorders are still obtainable?

Yes. Contact Automated. They have an ad on Mr. Pinball Classifieds in MM/Pa sales (just looked, Last one on the list). I believe they haven't changed the price on it either. Don't get confussed with suppliers that are selling MMr Standards for the same price (Pinballstars Amusements).

Teekee your sorta right about the collectibility it wool actually be worth more than the original and more collectible hence its the same game just way better and you don't have any say what the market will do let's see what happens in the next 6 months I think your gonna look back at all your dumb comments and think to yourself I should of bought a MM 14 and guess what you will be paying more for it a year from now
YOU ARE A BUZZ KILL!

Haha we have a Debbie Downer...repeat, we have a Debbie Downer.

$8,000 for a brand-new, mint condition MM is a deal to many. Furthermore, there are plenty of people who really don't care if the MMr goes down in value, or doesn't jump to $12k NiB within a few months: they just want one to enjoy.

The Negative Nancies whining about MMr appear to be a) those that have an MM and are concerned about devaluation (no offense to this group), b) those who are generally misanthropic about anything new, or Stern, or non Bally/Williams, or c) those who are embittered that they cannot afford these new pins and are trying to convince themselves that they won't be missing-out.

In a few months when I put my new MMLE14 next to my old routed MM I'll think of all your posts TEEKEE and laugh at how wrong you were hahahahaha

Rubberfist you are totally correct I couldn't have said it better myself well done!

Lol, you're definitely new here (or maybe just made a second account) and very naive… a lot to learn here and you're definitely not ready for a logical debate. Good luck and Happy Easter.

Teekee once again, you're just concerned that the value of your collection will go down which it inevitably it will do. That's your only argument. I'll restate my point because you don't seem to be getting it.

When there was only 1 pinball manufacturer (Stern) the other pinballs like Bally & Williams were scarce and went up in value because no one ever thought they would be remade again. Now that there are multiple manufacturers in the business and the list is growing, the price of those machines are going to go down. Virtually, and I am prefacing virtually so that you know I'm not including everyone, everyone who wants to own a Medieval Madness could care less whether it's the original or not. What they care about is a machine that is an exact replica and plays without issues.

Also, quit insulting people and saying they are not ready for a logical debate. You don't know the person and have no business making remarks like that.

Holy mother of all run on sentences Batman!!

Attempting to undermine his arguements by attacking his join date or implying that he had to re-roll will not have the intended effect, aside from giving you an easy out. Calling him naive implies that you are wiser, so share some wisdom that isn't laced with a sh*t attitude.

Also, maybe launder your underwear and get the fiberglass out of them, and you won't project such a negative aura. You do realize that not everything about pinball machines is "collectibility", or "being better", or "resale", or "value retention"...right? That was rhetorical: obviously you don't.

Pinball is a comparatively cheap hobby compared to many, many others, thus the silent majority couldn't give a rat's arse if their MMr drops 8.93% in value because they plugged it in, or that MM is "better" than MMr because of a few differences, or even that MMr, or The Hobbit, or Stern_Title_X, will have an issue or 10 down the road...some people love pinball for what it is.

If fact, it's the untempered hoardists, flippers, value-Nazis, and vintage snobs that sour the hobby and forums...Debbie and Nancy...

Teekee needs a...

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I would give you hope Vid, I think if you were to look at the demographic of todays pinball table ownership you'd find a growing percentage never had fond memories of playing pinball in their younger years. I know I'm one, and a lot of owners I've met didn't grow up playing them as kids either. Maybe we aren't the bulk of the resurgence but I think the effects of us 'noobs' is measurable. If nothing else, it would mean pinball won't disappear when this generation ends.

yep, buy it. enjoy it..

these things are toys. fantastic amazing incredible toys, but toys nonetheless.

you can't really play a rare stamp or coin or baseball card. all you can do is look at it and be like "yup ... that one's worth X thousand dollars ... " no offense, but that bores the shit out of me. I have a friend who collects star wars figures, his most prized ones still in the original packaging. I just find that depressing and misguided. what the heck can you do with a package? 1) look at it, 2) brag about it, 3) sell it. what a waste of time, ego and money.

I doubt MMRLE will go up in value, but what do I know, I'm pretty new to the hobby. I'm getting one because it seems both cheaper than and superior to the original game, which I love.

some people think the MMR is a step backwards because it's replicating an old game, but I think PPS's platform has tremendous potential. it could be the biggest innovation since the changeover to solid state electronics. emulating all those old boards in software means you can do almost anything with the machine with merely a software update. someone once said MMRLE is like an old musclecar reproduction with a generic 4-banger under the hood. it seems more to me like an old musclecar with a warp drive.

thats just your opinion. if your friend gets enjoyment out of collecting, spends a shitload of money on stuff he just ogle's, so be it ... hes got his moneys worth .... and hes got his money in something he obviously loves doing.

That's your opinion but people enjoy many things in many different ways. Collecting things is about as common and American as apple pie. You don't have to understand it but to call it depressing and misguided... well, that's just depressing and misguided.

I still play with my Star Wars toys occasionally. They are all out of the packages though.

I sold an NES cart for $55K. I still played it when I owned it. The guy who bought it from me got it encased in acrylic. To each their own.

I actually bought it from another Pinsider. He had played the game as well. We were the last 2 to play it and we had saved games on it when it was encased.

Did you see anything??? No sir, I didn't see you playing with your dolls again!

I bet she gives great helmet!

Space balls would make an excellent pin!

Nice one

Well, a wise man once told me, "If you cant be good, be arbitrary!"

I met a guy recently who claimed to own a prototype Sega Genesis Tetris cartridge. He said another known copy sold for $1M! Maybe we're all collecting the wrong stuff!

Edit: I just googled it and see that one was listed for $1M, but was only worth $15000-$20000. Even so, that's still a lot of dough.

i mean ... if you're just looking for a solid financial investment ... don't buy a pinball machine!

Well he's full of shit. Haha. I sold the only Proto of Zelda for NES, which was once owned by Howard Phillips and that was the largest amount ANY video game ever sold for publicly. But yes I've made much more money selling video games than pins. The worlds leading Proto expert is also a member here.

Very interesting. In case I ever stumble across one, how do you know a prototype cartridge when you see it?

It'll look like ass. Haha. But seriously here is a start.

http://www.nintendoplayer.com/protos

After playing a NIB WOZ for the first time last night, I'd have to pass on the MMr and go for a WOZ at $8k... The WOZ was a blast to play and a beautiful machine.

To answer the op topic-No, not in my world anyway. If I had $8000.00 dollars to spend on pinball I would buy 3-4 $2000.00 pins instead.
The simple question I asked myself to get this answer was is MM $6000.00 more fun than my EATPM or JM when I owned it?
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