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MMr, Cirqus Voltaire (or something else)?

By Veemonroe

71 days ago



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#1 71 days ago

We’re looking to buy our first pinball machine.

I’ve wanted to buy a full-sized pinball machine for some time, as I have a mini Tony Astro Shooter pinball that I played to death as a kid (and which we still own and play).

We’ve been playing a lot of the Williams Pinball app and my favourite tables, by a long way, are MM and CV. I’ve also watched a fair amount of play videos for classic games, such as Addam’s Family and ST:TNG, and played some Stern pinball online. I find most of the Stern tables pretty mediocre, I can knock out four monsters in MB already on a good day (so it seems a bit easy), AFM leaves me cold for some reason, and I haven’t gelled with Theatre of Magic at all - I find it visually cluttered (in the app) and it seems to be mostly about hitting the trunk.

I love Cirqus Voltaire because of the Ring Master (the dialogue and ‘bash’ on three levels) and, also, because of the interesting mechanics like the juggler, the cannonball on the backplate, and the visible ball-lock on the high-wire act. There’s a lot to do on the board and it feels uncluttered, but lively. I feel with MM it is a ‘castle-grinding’ exercise, although I’m aware there’s more to it than that, and for this reason I marginally prefer CV.

We don’t have enough room for one than more pinball machine currently (possibly two if we manage to build a games room) and I’m not confident about doing my own repairs.

I understand that here in the UK, the MMr ‘reprint’ will take about 18 months, if it happens at all. There are a couple of apparently-good-quality CVs on the market, but they’re at different ends of the country, which is hard to reach in a pandemic, and - although I’ve read a guide to assessing a pinball machine for quality - it’s not something I’ve done before.

We are planning to go to a physical pinball club at some point but, again, as we’re here in the UK, it’s not the safest thing to do right now due to the travelling - also, I’m not going to get as many games in as on a virtual version.

What would you do, as a ‘newbie’? Should we put our name on the MMr waiting list? Buy a cheap NIB machine? Investigate the two CVs? Or something else entirely?

#2 71 days ago

My old CV is for sale at Williams Amusements, it’s a very good one at a marked up price though!
I prefer MM, got bored of CV pretty quickly was just in my line up as a piece of art in the end.
Get CV then move it on when you can get a MM?

#3 71 days ago

Get MMr or something else. Lot of this depends on pricing and availability. What range if $$ do you want to spend? Would you rather have 2 lower priced Williams or 1 MMr?

#4 71 days ago

Anything will get old if you play it to death, fyi. That said, I have no intentions of getting rid of my MMr. It would also probably be more reliable than CV. The newer sterns will have deeper code generally than older games, so if you are a good player that might be something to consider. Fortunately pinball machines are easy to sell and get something “new” if you find you are tiring of a game. Repairing machines in some fashion is part of owning one, so be prepared to learn the upkeep. There are great resources here to help. Good luck and play pinball!

#5 71 days ago

CV is my favorite and I have a few games. But I really believe for you the best choice for your first and possibly only machine would be the MM. That game never gets old for me.

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#6 71 days ago

Mm is way better imo, the flow and shots. Cv to me is clunky and a lot of stop and go. Plus that's a lot of pin to work on if it's going to be your first one

#7 71 days ago

I think you should play some new games. Find a Jurassic Park (Pro) or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Premium) or Elvira's House of Horrors (Premium Edition)

In a one game collection you'll want a game that you can't 'beat' in a couple months.

#8 71 days ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

I think you should play some new games. Find a Jurassic Park (Pro) or Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Premium) or Elvira's House of Horrors (Premium Edition)
In a one game collection you'll want a game that you can't 'beat' in a couple months.

Yeah JP pro is a great starter pin....you don't have to work on it, it's fun and challenging

#9 68 days ago
Quoted from djsolzs:

Get MMr or something else. Lot of this depends on pricing and availability. What range if $$ do you want to spend? Would you rather have 2 lower priced Williams or 1 MMr?

Thanks, folks!

We’ve put down a deposit on a Fish Tales missing its topper (we’ve read the instructions on here about how to make a new topper and are going to give this a go), as I realised I’d been swayed a fair bit by the CV theme and art. We’re going to keep the Fish Tales for a little while and see how it goes while we wait for a new CGC MM manufacturing run.

I looked at JP (Pro) but, unfortunately, as we’ve got two young kids in the house (the older one is massively into dinosaurs) we couldn’t really get a JP without the animatronic T-Rex. And that was then the same price, if not more, than MM, but with somewhat less character and personality.

I’ve played a couple of the newer Sterns on iOS now (mostly Star Trek) and, although they play well, they’ve got less humour and feel more ‘adult gamer’ than the Bally/Williams machines, which isn’t the best option in a household with young kids. Hence, why we went with a cheap, older machine as a ‘starter’ in the end.

#10 68 days ago

MMr is the easy choice here. Great callouts, fantastic theme, wonderful layout, stellar art, and possibly the best toy ever created for a pinball. There really are no flaws to it...other than price.

It really has everything you could hope for in a pinball, and it shows via the rankings (on multiple websites). There is a reason many people consider it the best pin ever made.

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