I know this is OT but any chance you could share wisdom (PM is OK by me if you don't want to post) on how to avoid being a "list price buyer" on a Color DMD? I've been vaguely considering one for my Shadow, but if there are bargains to be had that could tip me over the edge ...

This is interesting, I've had exactly the opposite reaction playing (extensively) on the MM and MMR on route here in Denver. To each his own, I guess! Maybe now would be a good time for you to sell the MMR and scoop up another MM?

As someone who would like to pick up a second-hand MMR one day, I'm hoping that DreamTR's take (or o-din's "abomination" review, for that matter) becomes the Pinside mantra and I'm able to pick one up on the cheap in a year or two. I'm not holding my breath since the game plays great in my experience. But a man can dream.

You missed a few of mine, including the one that started "This is OT, but ..."

But is it better or worse than "no skin in the game"?

And since we're talkin' dogs, isn't it usually either "no dog in this fight" or "no horse in this race"? Or has that been tidied up since Michael Vick made a name for himself? Maybe I'll start using "no horse in this fight."

Has it been confirmed as a software-only update? It seems like you could infer that from one of Rick's posts (many months of work for two people suggests coding/hand-coloring) but I didn't see where he or anyone else said definitively that no new hardware would be required.

Nice! But if they go down this road, the safest bet is probably to assume they'll sell only one copy and charge $100,000 for it.

This would be awesome (and in general, it'd be awesome if someone could get Eddy back into pinball). That said, I'm not sure MM is the game calling out for a "2.0" version, the gameplay and code are well recognized as some of the best of all time. But for other remakes down the pike, including an alternate "2.0" version (preferably with input from the original designers) could be a significant selling point.

Looks incredible! Will be fun to see this whole thing in action. I hope they also still fix up the tearing on the existing dots for those that want to keep the old-school look (or don't want to buy this new option), but very cool to see DMD animations of this quality.

You can just come out and say it was teekee you saw with the typewriter, he won't mind. I hear he also has an impressive collection of original mimeograph machines.

This is still a relatively discrete animation project, right? The kind of project that a couple of experienced animators could do in a month or three, rather than multiple years worth of work? I legitimately don't know the answer to that, maybe there's something particularly complex about DMD+, it just seems like there can't be that many frames to do compared to say a 5 minute animated short, and DMD+ is still much smaller and less detailed than TV/film animation. Maybe it's all hardware issues?

They still haven't shipped 'em all, but it's not clear that CGC was paid more than a $1000 down-payment years ago. According to Rick, some distributors may have called in full payment early and sat on the cash rather than sending it to CGC.

I see you got the immediate o-din thumbs-up -- I'm assuming he skipped right to the last line of your post!

This would be logical but might be giving CGC too much credit. They really seem to be bumbling about at this point.

Have you played it? It plays great! The fiasco is with CGC/PPS's handling of predictable customer complaints. They clearly have minimal interest in cultivating future business by treating their customers well. But the game itself plays great.

Took the words right out of my mouth!

I guess you could argue about whether it's a bigger deal to color in the old dots, or completely redo the animation in high-res color. Both are cool enhancements, but technically neither is a "game changer" (you don't play the display, right?) Regardless, when CGC/PPS get around to making it available, the new animation will be a nice option for people that bought into MMR.

What about the King of Payne?

Isn't the problem determining if they're lies or not?

Give the MMR at 1Up Colfax a try. IMO it plays great, a bit better even than the well-loved original MM at 1Up Lodo (which is still a nice game and lots of fun to play, but mylar and lifted troll "lids" lead to some unpredictable ball movement). Sounds like the MMR at RMPS may have had issues or been poorly adjusted?

Negative revues are the absolute worst. You go in expecting light theatrical entertainment consisting of a series of short sketches, songs, and dances, typically dealing satirically with topical issues, and instead ...

Sadly I wasn't there myself to see! Was super-bummed to miss RMPS again this year, somehow we're always out of town that weekend. In any event, I'd still recommend trying the one at 1Up Colfax in Denver before drawing conclusions about MMR gameplay. That one plays great.

And to think I was about to warn Zitt to get off your lawn

All valid points, if Rick hadn't strongly implied that the update would be free for LE purchasers. Manage expectations, they say. When you actively mismanage expectations, you get threads like this.

Is this confirmed? Has Rick stated PPS is selling them at the same cost purchased from CHC?

While you're here, any word on whether the issue with specific frames of original animation "sneaking through" is a known issue at CGC, and are there plans to address it (or is it not really fixable, as some have suggested)?

As a manufacturer of goods it may sound like a nuisance to you to have customers sharing their complaints online. But if the "proper protocol" is not established and then adhered to by the manufacturer, then "be done with it" is poor advice for customers that actually want something done.

It sounds like you've developed a support system where your customers trust that a) if something is reported through a ticket, it will be addressed, and b) if it's not addressed quickly enough for their taste, they can call you and you will work with them directly. Presumably that trust was earned by your past performance in response to support requests. What leads you to believe that CGC has earned that level of trust from its customers?

Also, this one isn't CGC's fault, but anyone that uses the phrase "big boy pants" in any context other than a conversation with a potty-training two year old has only himself to blame when he is taken for a moron.

Which beats fatuous any day.

Sounds like you should wait and play AFMR before you buy. I've put in a fair amount of time on MMR and didn't notice a difference in play other than no distortion of ball movement in the MMR due to lifted trolls and Mylar as on the MM on route here. But it's your money, so the only thing you should worry about is your opinion.