Is the dew officially off the XXr train yet?

Buy an original. We know they work. No broken promises. No stupid issues. No pie in the sky.

Been enjoying my AFM 9 months and counting with spectacular color DMD...keep waiting on those AFMrs.....

Pie in the Sky Pinball inc.

Any word on how much the "tear repair" code update is gonna cost?

MMr buyers really were promised nothing - tons of wiggle room in those statements and it really should have been obvious to everyone. It's the same old bullshit...if it's not in writing, just assume worst case scenario. I've been around long enough to know you can never assume anything else. That being said it kinda blows...as we've seen time and time again people with money to burn and unbridled enthusiasm in this hobby are simply always being set up for some kind of con. People want to believe and then they get screwed, over and over. It sucks to see really.

Cactus canyon, bash, Big Bang...can't think of anything else that makes sense.

There are a LOT Of pinheads now, and they aren't all here. There are also new buyers all time who do their homework QUICK even if they are buying their first and only game and can get caught up in hype. Google Cactus Canyon or BBB and I think even someone "not in the know" would figure it out quick that those are very sought after.

I don't think you need to sell 2,000 - 1,000 will do fine and they could move the super rare A-list titles like CC and BBB. Just a hunch.

Unmistakably. Just goes to show the Cargument transcends all generations.

I too am curious how this super hi-tech new system is able to significantly vary the power of the same old coils and flipper parts with no ill effects.

They "licensed" that system? I thought Stern just reverse engineered and stole the Bally system, similar to what they did later with DE and System 11.

That's how I thought it went down too. The ole sue and license.

Everybody had skin in every game on pinside. So stop saying otherwise!!!

Sounds like the natives are starting to get restless.

Better release another 10 second clip of color animations to chill everyone out for another 6 months.

I predict $300. Low enough that it costs less than a standard color DMD upgrade for an old school MM, but high enough that it will still piss everybody off.

Nobody is getting any LE discounts clearly.

True.

But you WOULD pay $300 - while being a little pissed about it - right?

Because they don't have to. Plenty will pay for the upgrade.

If I can turn just ONE person here into a cynical asshole, I think I've done my job!

And yeah, ain't nobody turning down this upgrade. $300 - book it!

You've already paid $8,000 and been jerked around on numerous delays and a smattering of QC issues with some questionable customer relations...and THIS is the line in the sand you are gonna draw- denying yourself what looks like a pretty sweet upgrade? Ain't gonna happen. I know it. You know it. And most importantly they know it. Pony up folks!

You really don't have to. Any resold MMRs, I really feel like sellers will take a loss on this upgrade.

If you don't want to pay the money, let the next owner deal with it.

$200 X 1,000 = $200,000.

Extrapolate + or - from there. We aren't talking about peanuts in any case.

I'm sure they are doing the colorization as a "thank you" for customers who are all pissed off that it isn't free, and were not driven by padding profits.

Yeah...that's the ticket.

The Color was NEVER promised in any way shape or form, at least for free. Some vague optimistic hints were dropped, but I think we all know if it isn't in writing you can assume it's nonsense. Which of course it turned out to be.

Nobody is being expected to pay for anything were actually promised for free.

This is a lesson that will be forgotten about 20 times in the pinball hobby this year.

I think you answered your own question there.

Obviously "at this time" means "it ain't gonna be free, suckers." Not a broken promise there, just meaningless hype.

It is funny, that each setback - major or minor - results in loud pledges that the pre-order model is dead. Yet I suspect Rick is right.

People can't help themselves. And it's more than just "I better pre-order lest they sell out!" I think it's that shot of euphoria people get from "owning" something that doesn't exist and likely won't for years.

Personally I just stick to drugs and meaningless sex for that excitement, but it's not for everybody.

Lol

"Dirt huh? Likely story!!!"

Love how the poor guy posted these pics in two different threads to show off his new toy and all anybody wants to talk about is how filthy it is. Curse you Internet!!!

There's nothing to be gained by releasing the color update or announcing the price any time soon.

There's nothing to be gained by announcing game #2 anytime soon.

The learning curve around here is very, very slow.

So you really think any of these things would offset the hundreds of thousands of dollars they will lose by giving away the update for free?

Nope.

In principle I agree with you. But this isn't a long term game for these guys. Pinball people have a very short memory and it's strictly "shut up and take my money" when it comes to stuff people want in today's wacky market.

Intangibles like "word of mouth" and "customer goodwill" are worth a lot less to these guys than the $300 a pop they'll get with color sales on virtually every mmr they sold - regardless of
How annoyed anybody is.

Look, I know a weasel when I see it, and clearly, they left themselves the smallest amount of wiggle room in their original statements on color.

But you can't blame eager people for thinking it was in the bag when they said "at this time the goal is to have the color update be free for all buyers!"

It was never in writing or explicitly promised and people really should have assumed it was hype, but they clearly led people on.

I've already done the math for you. It will be $250-300.

Enough to piss everybody off, but not enough to dissuade people from rationalizing it.

Correct. The game has hardly been changed. This is more like adding 10 yards to kickoffs, or changing the challenge rules.

Also, can't help but mention the game, while being unchanged, is still unavailable. So you can't get into the game, you have no idea when tickets will be available, and you certainly don't know what they will cost.

You are taking "game-changing" a little literally here.

And surprisingly you didn't have anything to say about it being called "revolutionary," when in fact no political leaders or kings are being overthrown.

That's not real life!!!!!!

They can charge $250-300 and will have plenty of takers. Very few will boycott. We can all feign outrage but at this point it's time to stop pretending people won't cough it up.

It was "nudge-nudge wink wink" promised for free - not a promise but an optimistic statement with tons of wiggle room. People heard what they wanted to hear which was "it'll be free!"

If it isn't in writing, it isn't a promise. People are disappointed but they really should have known better.

People simply cannot help themselves when it comes to "pre-buying." Whether it's presale buying shitty concert tickets now when better ones will be available later, or pre-ordering something like a $400 "color DMD update" or the latest Katy Perry album, there's just something innate in the consumer subconscious that is satisfied by having SOMETHING in hand, when in fact they don't actually have anything. Spending the money and securing a "spot" satisfies the need to immediate perceived need to possess something, while at the same time lending weight to the fantasy of a brave new future with limitless potential - allowing the mind to wander to exotic and exciting places.

As consumers, we have more instant gratification options than ever and as such we've created a need to be instantly gratified. There's a rush of consumer endorphins that floods the mind of someone who places something they can't actually have no into their cart and hits submit.

The fact is though, someone who has pre-ordered a color DMD update, and someone like me who has not nor will ever buy it, both "own" exactly the same thing tangible thing. But I didn't pay $400 for it.