It would be nice if they released colorized dots using the original graphics for free and let the enhanced dots be a purchased upgrade. When I heard free colorization I was expecting something like what ColorDMD has done.

If CGC/PPS had managed it differently they could have avoided this whole mess. They own the platform so it cannot be copied. Simply pricing the key to unlock it a little more reasonable would have avoided a lot of drama and most everyone would pay. $150-$200 for everyone and call it done. Still expensive but cheap enough people will pay and make it not worth the time/effort for someone to hack it. Furthermore if they really wanted to protect it, it would be a separate download with purchase of key. The fact that the color code is already included in the code means they really have no control. This means someone may figure out how to open the Pandora's box. The price point they put on the security key feels like a complete cash grab and has rubbed many the wrong way. The MMR experience has been a complete fiasco for quite a few leaving many saying never again. We are glad to see MMR and hope other remakes go over better with less issues. At the end of the day all people want is a product they feel is a value for the money. Plenty of people will pay for color so I doubt there is much for CGC/PPS to worry about.

I believe it's already been said so for the last time it is what it is.....

Looking forward to AFMR so we can all wash, rinse, and repeat this all over again......really wish even more success for AFMR to make others possible.

I would hope that after this debacle, and with the colorization process under their belt, the next machine would be priced to include the colorization in the base price. This model clearly pissed many off.

By not starting a thread on Pinside announcing it would be shipped in a few months would have been a good start. Maybe they learned a lesson and will keep their sales pitches to their own websites from now on.

Making promises on a public forum that there is no chance of keeping will not work anymore.

not true.

modern encryption algorithms would require more energy and time than there is in the entire universe to brute-force.

https://www.reddit.com/r/theydidthemath/comments/1x50xl/time_and_energy_required_to_bruteforce_a_aes256/

for example, it would take 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 super computers running for the entire lifetime of the universe to crack AES256 (which is what IOS uses).

short of the key being leaked or a flaw in CGC's implementation being discovered, it's not going to be decrypted.

By the time somebody did hack it, anybody that was going to buy this update would have bought it already anyway.

Agreed but the problem is MMR was pretty much done to cater to the demand/request of the collector market....Pinside was the perfect vehicle to bring it to market. The same will have to happen with AFMR if it even happens but hopefully they will be smarter....announce it then back away.......too much criticism that is not constructive for a manufacturer to deal with on here. Hopefully they have learned a lot from MMR and do much better all around with future releases. As many issues we have heard about there are some good stories as well so it's not all doom and gloom....will be interesting to see what happens down the road.

The pinball show was the perfect vehicle. Hundreds of pinsiders saw it and reported back.

PPS did not need to use this forum as it's own sales device. All it served to do was piss a bunch of people off in the end. Other manufacturers do not feel the need.

Let them sell it, and let pinside discuss it. Mixing the two is a means to an end.

I downloaded the warranty card and have a question. How do I fill out date of purchase? Date I made the deposit? Date I sent Jack the full amount because shipping was imminent? Or 13 months later when it actually shipped? There's only room for one date on the line.

I'd go with the day after tomorrow. Just kidding! Probably the date you received the game is what they are looking for.

Rick's original statement was read by some people as "it's gonna be free!!!!" And others as "I wonder how much it's gonna cost?" I read it and immediately fall into the 2nd category. Bottom line - this was never promised as free. People just want it for free. But free doesn't get you the level of effort that took place and the super cool product we are about to enjoy.

Granted, no one at CGC or PPS will be granted the coveted Excellence in Pinball Manufacturing Communications award this year. But neither will JJP or DP and they have made similar communication mistakes and are putting out quality products that benefit the hobby.

The display is beyond anything that is - or ever will be - available on the games that PPS produces. And from what I have seen, is worth the money. I hope they offer it for other games in the future - even games that they will never reproduce.

Though I was hopeful for a free upgrade as an LE buyer who paid way in advance, I can't say I'm shocked at the pricing. Putting aside the argument that this should have been free or at least less expensive, I don't think you can get a better upgrade for $200.

I'll be buying it even though I barely play anymore. Haven't been on pinside for some time now and I have to say that I don't feel like I've missed much. Nevertheless, it's been good to catch up. Happy flipping...

MMr was the perfect storm...it was during the whole influx of new collectors, the BBB/Tron LE/ACDC LE price rising madness, and original restored MMr's selling for $20k. New MMr for $8k seemed "cheap" and many (including myself) were throwing our money at them to order. Fast forward a few years, and we've seen 2 dead boutiques bleed hobbyists of millions, a few living boutiques making sweet new games, Stern making games people really want. There will not be a "NEED IT NOW!" fervor with an AFM or MB remake. Some sales sure....but after MMr's growing pains, even interested parties will be happy to sit it out, wait and see.

Certainly not the 'buy it now before its gone!!' rush... but the demand for those titles is still pretty good. And CGC *SHOULD* have a leg up in time to develop, and if they can continue using Stern's manufacturing, have a reasonable means to get the games to market. Maybe they only build 300-500 of a title.. but if they play their cards right, it could be possible that it's 'enough' to bring titles to manufacturing profitably given their 'platform', contract manufacturing, and lack of R&D needed given they are 'reusing' designs.

I don't see an endless inventory of these games just waiting to be bought where distributors just buy 3-5 at a time based on recent sales. The economies of scale still work against that.. but PPS at least has an inside line having the parts business that would want inventory too.

The thing that remains untested in the market is... can someone sell the same title for many years? Stern came close with LOTR... but the market is pretty different now. Curious how that will play out...

Why are you assuming chicago gaming used the most up to date standards for encryption?

Most likely no one who is buying the color code is a hacker, so they would have to turn over their machine to someone to crack the code. This is also unlikely considering most buyers are honest people along with the risk that some sort of watermark could be there to point to whose machine the hack came from. Remember the DVD screener of Quinton Quentin Tarantino's last movie?
This is what it is; a company producing a really cool product way behind schedule and with terrible public relations.

The color is already available for download through the latest software update. There is nothing machine-specific about that.

Looking forward to seeing this pop up in games. Looks like a good addition.

You need to execute the code... Not just have it. I'm not sure how far the code runs with just the beagle board alone...

Remember... This will likely be about defeating a check system.... Not necessarily about decryption

For the money, I'd like to see the color upgrade include a free SD card with the software upgrade so I don't have to go out and buy the right SD card, adapter, etc., and spend the time figuring out how to burn the image properly.

Duly noted.

CGC has told me the color upgrade does include the SD card with the updated software.

I'm pretty sure I read that that was the case. I'm in the same boat, give me the upgrade plug and play.

Just for info, you do mean the micro SD card? I guess I don't know where a traditional SD card would be slotted.

BTW, thanks for your patience.

It would be a compatible microSD as you are correct that there's no SD slot, only micro.

Marc

Would have been nice to know a microSD card was included in the upgrade. Could have put that in the upgrade notes for 2.0 / 2.1. Most of us went out and bought a new card......

I haven't put the latest version of the s/w on my machine yet. Just so I'm clear, once I buy the kit, i just plug in the sd card and install the chip, and i'll be good to go with color and all the latest features from the patch that was recently released?

Coming out with double the price for some customers years down the line. A great way to expand your customer base. Not.

Looks a great display though.

It was "nudge-nudge wink wink" promised for free - not a promise but an optimistic statement with tons of wiggle room. People heard what they wanted to hear which was "it'll be free!"

If it isn't in writing, it isn't a promise. People are disappointed but they really should have known better.

I'm sure the $6 was killer for you..

Including it in the upgrade is just a courtesy to avoid issues.. especially when someone is paying so much for software.

Actually $24 with tax. The card and the adaptor to go from USB to microSD. But you know everything Flynnibus......

Overpaid...they're cheap as fuuuuuuuck on Amazon!

Not really the point. The point being PPS/CGC could have communicated better. Also could I get a Card and adaptor in an hour on Amazon, ya no......

Can OP change the tittle of this thread?
“MMr - Bad news on Colorization - Update - No News on Colorization!”
Maybe something more encouraging, positive, or something plain vanilla?
I'm kinda on the fence regarding the whole matter, but it is development for pinball.

I mean.. if you want to overpay for things that's more of a personal thing. Can't help you there... It should have only cost you ~$6-10 for SD adaptor and 16gig card

https://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Digital-16GB-microSDHC-SDC10G2/dp/B0162YQEIE/ref=sr_1_31
or
https://www.amazon.com/Transcend-MicroSDHC-Class10-Adapter-TS16GUSDU1E/dp/B00CBD0XSI/ref=sr_1_13
or
https://www.amazon.com/Silicon-Power-MicroSDHC-Class10-SP016GBSTHBU1V20SP/dp/B00TDBLTWK/ref=sr_1_9

Or those who need a local store
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-16gb-microsd-class-10-uhs-1-memory-card-orange/5334001.p?id=1219120323731&skuId=5334001

And if you really can't read an SD card... which everything has for ages now due to digital cameras... a usb to SD adaptor is like $8.50 at best buy

But you could drive down the street to best buy and pay $8...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/store-locator/80226

But I'm a know it all... can't expect people to just ask if they don't know... or use the internet.

Just wait till everyone gets all upset because they are paying shipping on a 'software upgrade' from CGC because of the included card!

Thanks. Hope more will join the thread now.

Has anyone unlocked it yet? I have an le and 199 seems ok not great but worth it imo.

It's not being sold yet. All we got was an announcement of the product and pricing... not actual availability yet.

I got a 32GB micro sd with adapter and free shipping for $9.99:

https://www.tanga.com/deals/ffde8b369c76/sandisk-ultra-32-gb-microsd-kit-red-gray?internal_campaign=search&product_list_type=band&product_list_value=search

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/samsung-16gb-microsd-class-10-uhs-1-memory-card-orange/5334001.p?id=1219120323731&skuId=5334001

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/insignia-usb-2-0-sd-mmc-memory-card-reader-black/3602009.p?id=1219092580719&skuId=3602009

I don't have and SD slot in my computer, so I have to use USB.

8.00 + 8.49 * .05 sales tax = $17.31

What's up I though this was $6.00 Flynnibus? Hey I can use the internet too!

To be accurate, the title should say something like, "MMr - Colorization Pricing In....Still Waiting on Availability".

I pointed out the adaptor and card options in an earlier post saying even if you DIDN'T have a SD card, there was the option. If you don't have a SD reader device in 2016... you may want to reprioritize your entertainment purchases verse complaining about having to buy a $8 adaptor. They've been on most devices for years now (again.. driven by digital camera use). Even my tower, which I built all the way back in 2008 and still use today... has a multireader in it.

Your personal situation is what we call a corner case. And even at $24, vs the $17, or $6 you could have spent... will serve you in the future, since somehow you could not use any portable storage card that has been in use for the last decade

Thank you ill check back in 2 pages lol.

I pointed out the adaptor and card options in an earlier post saying even if you DIDN'T have a SD card, there was the option. If you don't have a SD reader device in 2016... you may want to reprioritize your entertainment purchases verse complaining about having to buy a $8 adaptor. They've been on most devices for years now (again.. driven by digital camera use). Even my tower, which I built all the way back in 2008 and still use today... has a multireader in it.
Your personal situation is what we call a corner case. And even at $24, vs the $17, or $6 you could have spent... will serve you in the future, since somehow you could not use any portable storage card that has been in use for the last decade

This is true. But i guess in your original post you didn't account for the no SD card huh?

Your probabally right I should upgrade my computer to include a card reader. How ever this wasn't mentioned in this post. I guess you just assumed to know my computer system....

Again... tit for tat over $9. There is a trend forming here... buckle up for when Bay Area charges you shipping for that new order! That extra $5-6 is probably worth 3-5 more posts about it... at a minimum.

I sent my card to another Pinsider and they sent it on again.

Stop bickering with one another and help each other out, sheesh.

But.. But... a company didn't cater to ME individually!!! I'm never buying from CGC again!