I still prefer big fake boobs over real or unreal MMs.
Quoted from bigdaddy07:Nuts! Two of the best games ever created and just because they don't fetch 10k doesn't make them any less. I want a MM but, won't be parting with these 2 to get one.
No offense but to each his own. Really would like your Scared Stiff
Quoted from Ika:VP vs physical pinball is like silicon boobs (can I say boobs on this forum? oops) vs real big natural ones. They are fake and different, but they look real enough (if tastefully done same as in case of VP table), you get to enjoy them in the same way, in the same interface and you break the barrier of being impossible for your girl to be retroactively born with big natural ones if you really want her to have them as in to be brought back in time to 2000 to buy MM or AFK at some reasonable price.
Excellent Analogy... why? Because it includes boobs. ..nuff Said
Quoted from kwiKimart:For the prices that MM are going for, I could easily get 3 other A-listers like IJ, LOTR, and TZ.
True, but what if you dont want / can't have more?
Or in some other cases, some buy the MM and then get another 2-3 list titles.
Opinions are just like assholes, everybody has one and so it should be
Quoted from coasterguy:I would say now a year later, no game is worth that kind of cash.
I agree 100%.
To me, NO GAME (unless someone makes a killer new Elvira game!) is worth $10K+. Sure they're fun, but not $10k+ fun.
Quoted from snaroff:Absurd analogy.
I think it's actually a very good analogy, but it really hurts my desire for a virtual pin. :-/
Quoted from Ika:errr, this analogy is flawed by your apparent bias (afterall, you do have a considerable amount of finances "imprisoned" in physical pinballs
errrrr, wrong. I have both, so no bias, just a more informed opinion than most as they are only feet apart. Since time is my most valuable commodity, if anything my bias should be towards my video pin as I spend a considerable amount of more time working on it. (building, modding, software)
Keeping with the subject asked by the OP, bottom line for me, when I purchased my MM I had enough disposable income and room that it did not effect my standard of living and I was able to comfortably purchase necessities without going in debt. I am sure that is true for all of the MM owners as I doubt they made huge enough sacrifices that it made their families suffer. As the price climbs, the number of people that can afford it without sacrifices decrease. 10k is enough money that many people simply can't spend it without consequences. So you will probably see more and more people saying it is not worth it.
As repeated many times, it depends on your financial situation and how much room you have.
PS- Real guitar versus Guitar Hero is an apple to apples comparison. Both are video game facsimiles that try to emulate its real world counter part. Your boob analogy is a great visual but really doesn't fit. Anytime boobs get brought into a discussion, I'm not going to complain.
Owned one for several years and played it to death. awesome fun game, but like any pinball, once you've mastered it and played it hundreds of times, you move it along and get something new.
If you've never owned one, you need to. Awesome all the way around - art, flow, sound and music and just fun factor.
I don't give very many games a 10, but I really can't find flaws with MM.
D
Owned one for several years and played it to death. awesome fun game, but like any pinball, once you've mastered it and played it hundreds of times, you move it along and get something new.
If you've never owned one, you need to. Awesome all the way around - art, flow, sound and music and just fun factor.
I don't give very many games a 10, but I really can't find flaws with MM.
D
It's a great game, I played the hell out of the one that was at my local arcade as a kid though, so it wouldn't offer anything new, I'd rather own a good game I haven't played. Also I like having a variety, and for that price you can have a few really nice pins. So if you're on a normal person budget I think there's no way I would ever own it for the price point.
errrrr, wrong......
PS- Real guitar versus Guitar Hero is an apple to apples comparison. Both are video game facsimiles that try to emulate its real world counter part. Your boob analogy is a great visual but really doesn't fit. Anytime boobs get brought into a discussion, I'm not going to complain.
I would have to disagree with this entirely. Unless of course your guitar hero interface looks like this and the game is rewritten to make you have to know how to play a real guitar:
There is now a NIB MM for sale in NL. Very rare but comes from a seller with a good reputation.
Really wondering how much it will reach. It is a closed bidding process.
Will it be more than 20k? I think so
Anyway, no way this pin justifies this kind of money. Yes, it is a great pin but there are more great pins
Would be pointless to buy a nib for stupid money, You're going to play it so the instant you buy it you've devalued it, plus it isn't dialed in, I'd rather spend less and get one that's well kept. If I were to spend that kind of dough on a mm anyways.....
Quoted from dendoc:As you know, some MMs for sale a over $ 10k in Aust.
Is the price justified purely due to rareness, or is the gameplay that good?
Be interested to hear if its worth spending that much.
Not at all. It's a middle range game as far as gameplay goes. No better than your middle of the road games like STTNG, Wh20, and such. But many gravitate towards it for Status, or because of the nerdy theme/toy it has. The toy is pretty cool, but playfield layout is the cookie cutter boring fan pattern we see overdone 100 times and the rules are shallow and uneventful. If I had a collection for 50 or 60 games I would have kept mine, but as of right now, there are 50+ other games I would rather have than MM.
Quoted from Ika:you use that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means.
Hmm...you might try using an online dictionary...they are very useful.
ab·surd
əbˈsərd-ˈzərd
adjective
1.
(of an idea or suggestion) wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate.
"the allegations are patently absurd"
synonyms: preposterous, ridiculous, ludicrous, farcical, laughable, risible, idiotic, stupid, foolish, silly, inane, imbecilic, insane, harebrained, cockamamie; More
antonyms: reasonable, sensible
(of a person or a person's behavior or actions) foolish; unreasonable.
"she was being absurd—and imagining things"
(of an object or situation) arousing amusement or derision; ridiculous.
"gym shorts and knee socks looked absurd on such a tall girl"
Quoted from navajas:Nope. Used to think so, but I've played too many machines lately. It's awesome. It's top shelf in all categories from art, to play, to theme, to music, to sound, but it's not the prohibitive outlier I once thought it to be. While no games I think have the across the board excellence it does, way too many compete or eclipse it in a couple of areas for it to demand such a premium.
If I had a budget of $30k for a game room I don't think it'd make the list. There's just way too many other machines you could get. Now, for a budget of $40k or $50k...?
Tend to agree. With unlimited budget and space MM would be in my lineup. Otherwise... there are better and cheaper games. Finally found a LOTR I paid... less than $3k.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:But many gravitate towards it for Status, or because of the nerdy theme/toy it has. The toy is pretty cool, but playfield layout is the cookie cutter boring fan pattern we see overdone 100 times and the rules are shallow and uneventful. If I had a collection for 50 or 60 games I would have kept mine, but as of right now, there are 50+ other games I would rather have than MM.
Harsh but true...
Varied opinions as I expected. I have the money, lacking se room though. Have never played it, which is why I was asking. Ill have look tomorrow and see.
Quoted from dendoc:Have never played it,
Definitely do that.
Final decision is if you like it or not.
LTG : )
Quoted from MTPPC:MM is my favorite game on my simulator. Is it worth over 10 grand? Not to me because I can play it on my simulator.
Unfortunately, I think you said YES to drugs.
From newest to oldest
IJ - Slow return from the pops to the left flipper is boring.
ACDC - Many shots that make it to the bell hole don't even count.
Stratoflite - EM's suck to get running from dead compared to SS games. Mine is still broken.
Flash - UR flipper is not very important but looks good.
High Speed - Car 504,he what?
AFM - The force field. The objective is to get to the wizard mode, not complete. Wizard mode 2X is easier than it should be.
MM - everyone who newly joins the hobby starts an "is it worth it post" and tells me I only have it because I have a small member. Also needs a 5 way combo or super jackpot objective to match its awesome wizard mode. People don't get how great royal madness or BFTK is.
Quoted from HighProtein:kwiKimart said:
For the prices that MM are going for, I could easily get 3 other A-listers like IJ, LOTR, and TZ.
Wrong! those titles would cost more, beaters of these maybe.
I don't know, MM's going for $15k in good shape, the three others can be found in the same shape for around that price.
I don't hate MM, think it's fun, but I would absolutely 100% take any one of those machines on their own over MM.
I think there is someone smart a long time ago who had a warehouse full of WPC95s that found a way to manipulate everyone into thinking these are all worth more than everything else out there, despite the fact they are generally more shallow than the great DMD days of the early 90s.
I've never played a game of mm that I didn't enjoy, no matter how terrible the result was. I can't say that about too many games. No comment on price.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:I agree with buying LOTR instead. If you like that Fan pattern and Medieval theme. LOTR is a far superior choice. It's 100x's deeper and more involved than MM. Great bang for your buck. Even if both games were valued at the same price. LOTR is still a far better choice.
Already got LOTR, and agree, great game.
I think I'm going to hold off spending that much on a machine. Hope someone else nearby gets it instead.
Quoted from dendoc:Varied opinions as I expected. I have the money, lacking se room though. Have never played it, which is why I was asking. Ill have look tomorrow and see.
If you have free cash it's a no-brainer... just consider it an investment rather than a purchase. If one becomes available within a reasonable distance, ideally in a very good or worse condition, you buy it, fix/upgrade it, play it for 1-5-10 years, and sell it when your done. In the end you are only out the shipping and any maintenance/upgrades you have in it (and maybe some insurance premiums). Best case, it goes up in value and you make a profit (get paid to have it in your game room!), worst case, prices drop and you lose a few thousand dollars.
Only problem is if you have a 100% mint collectors trophy piece... then you may not want to use it or the wear could reduce the value, which is why you'd be better off with one with a few more flips in it
Quoted from Pinballgeek:Not worth it I'd rather have a nib stern
When I was contemplating getting a NIB Metallica Premium, I thought "Whoa! Wait a mimute! If I buy a NIB Met Premium it will be the most I've ever paid for a game...$1,100 more than my MM!" So I decided to get the Pro.
If you can afford it and it makes you happy, it is worth it. Also, if you are one of those who believe that the market for this game is not about to crash, you also believe that you can sell it for something close to what you paid if you tire of it. Like someone else said, non-pinheads think we are nuts anyway. Kind of funny that within the pin community, we each rank ourselves as comfortably crazy while we think others are f'ing bonkers. Social strata within the asylum!
It's a status thing. They are not scarce by any means, every large collector I know has one. I know more than 3 people that have 2 of them. It's a fun game, it's great to play, it's even nice to just look at, but the big question is: Do you have 10k for one so you can join the club?
Quoted from PinballShawn:It's a status thing. They are not scarce by any means, every large collector I know has one. I know more than 3 people that have 2 of them.
Does the term "non-sequitur" mean anything to you?
IMO, I wouldn't walk across the street to play one, let alone buy one for $8-15k. Game does nothing for me. But to each their own.
Quoted from RobT:Does the term "non-sequitur" mean anything to you?
How does what I said have nothing to do with the topic, or the previous statement? The OP asked our opinions, and I gave mine. Maybe you don't agree with what I have to say, but that was my opinion. However, I do appreciate your clever interjection, you must be very intelligent.
Quoted from PinballShawn:How does what I said have nothing to do with the topic, or the previous statement? The OP asked our opinions, and I gave mine. Maybe you don't agree with what I have to say, but that was my opinion. However, I do appreciate your clever interjection, you must be very intelligent.
The sharper the marble, the quicker the flea! I win!
Quoted from PinballShawn:How does what I said have nothing to do with the topic, or the previous statement? The OP asked our opinions, and I gave mine. Maybe you don't agree with what I have to say, but that was my opinion. However, I do appreciate your clever interjection, you must be very intelligent.
Try to understand what I was saying. You can have an opinion. But you said
Quoted from PinballShawn:It's a status thing. They are not scarce by any means, every large collector I know has one. I know more than 3 people that have 2 of them.
How is it a "status thing" if so many people have one (or, more accurately 2 of them since you know more than three people who have more than two). Seems pretty common. Hardly a "status thing".
Quoted from RobT:How is it a "status thing" if so many people have one (or, more accurately 2 of them since you know more than three people who have more than two). Seems pretty common. Hardly a "status thing".
The same way an iPhone is a status thing. BTW, maybe you meant something different than a non-sequitur. A good example of a non-sequitur would be: "MM is not worth the money because you can get a pac-man arcade game for one twentieth as much."
I have a minty mint mint MM. It took me years and selling many machines to get it (in fact, at the time just to raise the cash I had to sell XM-LE, POTC, & RFM).
And I'd do it again in a heartbeat....
As far as "worth the money" that really depends on your own bankroll. If you're flush with cash then definitely YES! If you're pinballin' on a budget then stay far far away from this game.
I didn't even truly understand the depth of the game until I owned one and now I am amazed. The colorDMD also looks truly spectacular on it as well(but then again all the ColorDMD's do).
In a world where a NIB LE will cost you 7-8k, you can pick up an MM for ~5k more than that... Tough Call....
Tough call... naaaah... i payed top dollar for mm but the condition is incredible.
Its worth every cent, every penny, every dime, every pound every well you get the idea
I guess I am just in the wrong tax bracket for MM.... Cant live in it, wont get me to work.... If I had the cash laying around, I would buy 3 Bally/Williams games instead. Or Cactus Canyon, if I wanted the last Pin from my favorite makers.
Well i dont complayne
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