I told you guys I felt the market shift on Wednesday.

i was so sick of seeing the price going up every 3 months on this pin, when you see a pin going for 14K+ with nothing special added to it is just insane and killing the hobby.
i say it's about time.
like someone said this is pinball not wallstreet!

BUT SUZANNE RESEARCHED THIS!!

If the prize at expo is any indicator of costs vs sales ($2500 prize or a new stern), me thinks that stern profits $1500 from each pro, and each dealer makes $250-$500. I don't see any margins being skimmed on the pros. The premiums perhaps.

Well, that too.....

So the fact that a thousand or more people just shelled out $8k for a pin is reason to believe that the overall pin market will *fall*?

If anything it would seem to support the fact that the market *will* bear NIB prices of $8k. MM Repro, WoZ, TH, STLE etc.

I guess one could argue that with people shelling out $8k for the new MM it means that there will be less money available to buy other pins, but that argument has been made before and never comes to fruition.

MM,CC,MB, have all experienced a disproportionate price increase compared to other top 20 pins. Chart each over the last 4 years. Makes perfect since that these are reproduced with current improvements regarding electronics and lighting , with pricing consistent with NIB LEs . This is a great opportunity for many to add quality examples of these games. MM first, maybe the others later.

Certainly true in my case, Rob. It's one thing to buy a $2k pin on impulse. It's quite another thing to buy multiple $7k+ pins in a single year. I am at my limit, I think, and I am willing to bet that is true for many others.

I'm sure if I already owned one I'd be a little upset but I'd still have one-so whats the down side. If it's your business to buy and sell pins I'm sure this is hard to swallow but it's a risk vs. reward business.

Even at 8 grand I still cant buy one so it just makes for interesting reading to me. It does make it seem a little more possible to own one some day so my interest in the hobby will be a little stronger.

I hope they do some more pins and pricwes go down more so we can all enjoy having one or two of our "Grail" games

BBB next ?

Hobo.

Yep, I understand. But like I said, that argument has been made before, and yet the declining pin price prediction has never come true yet.

People being limited by space (not money) is the other argument that is made. And that's certainly the case for me. I'm completely out of room, so it doesn't matter how much money I have to spend on a pin. I can only do so if I sell one. If that were the case for all of us, prices would go down. But they haven't.

I am certainly wishing all of the existing and new companies every success. I just have to be realistic. The nice thing is that there are a few good places to play pins in NC, although the best is still a few hours away. As long as I can get the chance to play the pins I want to play, I can be satisfied.

I sold my beautiful MM a year ago (and too cheap). But I did not feel comfortable having a game in a game room that could be devalued by $2000 if someone with a keychain on their jeans walked past it and put a gouge in the side. I did the same with Tron LE for the same reason.
It will be nice to have games that don't turn into such collector's items and only have games that you can always buy parts for (and updated parts at that). On the other hand...there are only 1000 of these new LE games being made. Technically speaking they will be more rare than the un-numbered 4000+ games that have already been made. Hmm....this new bubble could be bigger than the last one!

?????? They are already sold out?? I just heard about it. Who are the distributors?

Don, i think you and i bought our MM's at the same time.
Everytime i see you post about MM, it's about the joy it brings to you and your family.
So this pin will not leave anytime soon, i assume.
For me it was (and is my grail) so my intention is to never sell it. So if it 14k or 3k, doesn't matter, i am not selling.
You get a loss or a profit, if you are selling or buying. Meantime it's fun, and that's why i bought it for!

I don't see pins as an investment at all, just a hobby which makes me and my family happy

Only thing i see is a thousend households more, who can enjoy this fantastic pin !

(PS not much bashing on MM today, that's a first )

I don't about bubble. But 1000 $8k preorders just got dumped into the pin market. We are going to find out how much it can bear.

That's another $8,000,000.....how much is shifting dollars, credit etc.....

I think we will see an increasing amount of FS threads and lowering prices from a big % of people that just want to shift money from older titles to this one....of course there will be "new money" as well, only a grand down for a look see.....

I will go back to Pinballz and spend a lot more time on it now to see if its something I'll even want to follow through with.....