As an owner of a MMR....and has owned and worked on many WPC machines.

MMR all the way. I would not turn down a MM in great shape but the new electronics you cannot beat. Much more reliable and way easier to repair. No massive solenoid lamp board. Modular ones that can be replaced easier. Much better power supplies, etc. I have had 2 WPC machines with random reboots due to aging caps, etc.

The build quality on the MMR is second to now impossible to tell from the outside its not an original.

I do miss being able to change lamps around (colors, etc). Some 44 sockets on MMR you can do but most are surface mount.

You cannot go wrong with either one BUT if you had to pay 8k for a MM may as well get a MMR. Was cool unboxing a brand new machine like MMR.

Also this is full plywood box, bottom and cabinet. Its not sheet metal back box like some sterns.

My vote is for MMR all the way unless a MM can be had for much cheaper. The fact that the cost of MM's have dropped a lot shows most people would rather buy new MMR then MM. Already 700+ LE's have been shipped and who knows how many on order.

Was about to go into nitpicking details. LCD looks like DMD unless you put your eye up close. LED looks like incandescent for the most part with the software.

To me, without getting anal about the tiny items (most of which are superior to the original) the machines look 99% the same and same quality. The inserts are a defect which is another issue in it self

You must be a original biased MM owner.

Don't understand that reasoning. We buy new TV's phones, etc with the latest electronics we do not need time to know they are superior to old electronic components. Why would pinball be any different. You learn and improve and pinball did that. Look at Stern and their systems.

5 boards filling the back box which cost a fortune to replace or repair vs a small inexpensive beaglebone CPU? If you do not think that's an update then who knows.

Yes I am blind, the emulated dots on the LCD using the SAME software from MM looks nothing like the DMD. Almost thought it was a different game on the LCD. Guess computers are not powerful enough and our monitors do not have the high def to replicate a 40 year old DMD technology. Maybe one day we will get there. May be smart to invest in DMD stock.

Yes you do have a good point when you put it that way. It is very easy to fix WPC machine albeit sometimes a pain, but since all the components are at any electronic store. And yes they beaglebone may be obsolete but hopefully they keep the interfaces similar on new stuff.

I changed my LCD to orange with some tweaking and looks close to original.

Don't get me wrong, I love tinkering with the Sys 11 and WPC machines and we will be limited on these new ones due to everything intergrated. I do dislike the mounted LED since I like to change them out.

I was just excited to have some new tech come into pinball aside from Stern.

I would not hesitate to buy a MM if it was mint for the same price but if its more than the MMR then the MMR it is. Plus its nice to have some new tech in the line up to learn about.