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Quoted from pmWolf:If the LE is all that they are making....how is that not the "standard" version?
Is it just because LE sounds cooler?
Because it is Limited to 1000 games in Gold Trim and Shaker included.
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Quoted from CraZ4Pin:Just curious, has anyone seen Planetary Pinballs manufacturing facility??
They are being built by Chicago Gaming, not Planetary.
Quoted from CraZ4Pin:Do they have a fully working prototype of their MM (utilizing "modern electronics" as noted on their flier)??
Yes.
Quoted from robotron911:or even a track record of reliable production.
Chicago Gaming made Vacation America pinball a few years ago.
But seriously, Chicago Gaming IS Churchill Cabinet Company, who made the Williams playfields and cabinets (and Sterns too); and has been in business for over 100 years.
That CCC on the side of your playfield? Churchill Cabinet Company
Quoted from twinturb089:I think he would have a much better chance of selling 500 games with allowing people to pay with a cc, as there are much fewer people who can pay upfront for the game with a check.If your local mall stopped taking credit cards or debit cards,the mall would be EMPTY.
MM will sell out, credit cards or no credit cards.
If you don't have $1k in the bank to write a check, you probably should not be buying pinball machines.
Quoted from jeffspinballpalace:since all boards are being redesigned, they may not work seamlessly or without crashes
The boards will be better than the crappy originals.
Modern power supply.
No burnt, underspeced GI connectors.
10000x faster processor.
Stereo sound.
You guys have to remember that the processor in the original was designed before any of you were even on the internet. Before AOL, before Prodigy even......
Quoted from Manic:But did the original mount the pcb boards directly UNDER the castle and pop bumper solenoids?? That seems a little bizarre and sketchy right there...
It might be the smartest move ever; thinking outside of the 50 year old box:
The shorter the wire run, the less loss to resistance and the less chance of interference.
The less connectors, the less resistance and less points of potential failure .
Service will be easier, having the driver board right next to the driven components.
Service will be easier by not having to pull the machine forward from the row, disconnect and the remove the fragile backglass & tub. All the tech will have to do is lift the playfield and everything is in one easy to access spot.
Quoted from viper001:Except, all the boards are now going to be subjected to the full vibration and pounding of all the playfield coils. I would guess (not to claim to know the minds of pinball designers 20 years ago) that even back then fewer connectors and shorter wires were always a good thing for the BOM and cost control, I doubt it was accidental that all those boards were mounted as far away from the playfield as possible. But for as little play in the home setting that these games will get it is probably a non-issue anyway.
There have been plenty of circuit boards mounted to the undersides of playfields for over 30 and I don't see a problem with it.
F14 even has relay boards (so worse than just solid state components, electromechanical components) and they do just fine.
Of course the real MM itself has quite a few circuit boards mounted to the playfield.
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Remember that pinball was build a designed by a bunch of conservative old men.
In the 1970s, the first SS games had "noisemakers" installed because companies worried that players would be suspicious of games that were not filled with motors and relays.
They even had switches on the first sound boards, to give only "chime" sounds because they worried that players would not like electronic sounds.
The 1970s backbox, once filled with big score reels, now was empty with the arrival of SS.
The pin companies filled the backbox with the electronics and even (for a while) the power transformer, rather than shrink it and possibly scare away customers.
Quoted from TomGWI:Glad people are getting new MM. My only thought is why are the boards mounted on the playfield, specially close to the pop numbers were the most vibration takes place. I really don't understand why placed boards there.
Lots of boards are mounted near the pop bumpers on old games and they run fine 24/7.
Having the driver board next to the components that it is driving will speed up troubleshooting and repair - that is what matters to me.
Quoted from Craig:But why didn't anyone even ask about it, e.g., on the Stern tour?
They did in the Stern tour video.
SR talked about the VUK, low line voltage conditions, the brightest game ever made, and the fact that the LE was not ready for hands on yet.
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