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Mirco Playfields - WARNING for potential buyers

By Kobaja

3 years ago


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Post #583 Mirco failure photos. Posted by ForceFlow (2 years ago)

Post #703 Alternate Playfield Restoration service Posted by petebest (1 year ago)

Post #795 List of Mirco playfield issues by HEP Posted by High_End_Pins (1 year ago)

Post #896 Response form PPS concerning playfield issues Posted by PPS (1 year ago)

Post #940 Response from Mirco Posted by Highclasspinball (1 year ago)

Post #1045 Peeling clearcoat Posted by Warzard (1 year ago)

Post #1096 quicksliver clearcoat failure under posts Posted by gdonovan (1 year ago)

Post #1097 Black Knight clearcoat failure under posts Posted by wolffcub (1 year ago)

Post #1119 Example of another playfield company standing behind their products Posted by ForceFlow (1 year ago)

Post #1123 Response from Mirco Posted by Highclasspinball (1 year ago)


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#68 3 years ago

I have recieved different pictures and figured out that the one I got pictures from was a second which was sold as second with defects on a show. The customer told that this was not the case but I remember this exact playfield.

Very few afms had the issue on the inserts shown above, I replaced all of the ones I know about.

Regards,
Mirco

2 years later
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#940 1 year ago

Hi all,

I have decided to write a comment here.

Manufacturing process:

We are and will always react and improve things which cause errors and problems. These are not things which are ignored as many people here state. I take all problems serious and try to investigate the reason why things happen and resolve it. Just to give you some numbers the real issues here are really low compared to the total manufactured playfields. Out of several 10.000s of playfields we have a really low number of issues. I would never claim production errors can't happen, but we took a lot of precautions, especially in the past 3 years, to avoid any problems. The clearcoat for example is sprayed on with a robot and automatically dispensed by special pumps and mixed fresh right at the nozzle to get the exact same amount and mix for every board. This process is checked during application and documented in a file.

Beside that every playfield is pulled off and pressure tested with a digital tester. Every playfield contains a later cutted off area which is destructive tested and documented. Only test passed boards will ship.

With thousands of playfields being made in our company every year does anyone really thing that they are right and we don't care? Really?!? Of course we do and I do track what is going on.

In-process quality control is very important and we spent a lot time and money to check and improve every step. One reason I have so many robots is that they don't make human related errors and do the exact same job all the time. I have upgraded the robots a lot in the last years.

The finishing and buffing robot for example is one of them. Previously I had employees who buffed out dust spots. Now I have a robot with all necessary tools and a camera with a high end software behind to do that. The robot does fully automatically detect and remove dust which happens during clearcoating. I would post pictures or videos of the system but the process is top secret as even car manufacturers are currently interested in our system. They did not solve issues we fixed...

Long story short, we did and will always improve and continuously improve and develop. That we don't care and do nothing is simply false.

Missing or wrong art:

I do always correct and fix things which show up during sales. The ij teeth have been fixed right away as well as the missing insert text on Whirlwind and twilight zone door panel. As of right now I'm not aware of any missing text or wrong art.

New titles:

I know that here are many people waiting for specific titles to be made. The truth is that we did not have any capacity in the past few years to work on new projects. Our space and machine capacity was exceeded. As you can imagine it is not easy to raise capacity after a certain point. It took me more than 1,5 years to finish our new building which is in addition to the existing building. We have already installed a new second printer and some cnc machines to speed up. As of now we are moving slowly into a better position which means we will be able to finish the new already started projects soon. Followed by new titles.

New projects coming up:

With the new space we will set up a full automatic robot based production of pinball cabinets. The idea is to have different versions of new cabinets available in different finishes. This line will be set up during the year and I will update once we are running. At the time the cabinets are in production it will be possible to buy a new cabinet with either direct print and high end finish or any kind of currently used artwork of different titles for a fair price. So you don't have to worry about preparing a cabinet or installing decals. More info for this will follow.

The funhouse playfield posted earlier here:

If you look close at the outhole you will see that this game had tons of games played. The wood is worn off which does not happen fast or easy. This playfield is definitely made with the old process which is not as durable as the new one. Our test stations show wear like this after approx. 300.000 cycles which would be approx 15000 or more plays at least. Current process lasts more than 2.000.000 cycles and still does not show issues. This game is most likely running in a barcade or similar with lots of plays on it. This playfield was definitely sold more than 5 years ago. That was in use for just 4 weeks? - I really doubt that and the owner is welcome to contact me if so. As of today he did not.

If someone has a problem or issue please send me an email to [email protected] and I will try to help the best I can.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Best regards,

Mirco Steffen
Systemtechnik GmbH & Co. KG

www.mircoplayfields.com
www.Facebook.com/mircoplayfields

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#943 1 year ago

As I stated above. If you are a REAL customer who bought a repro playfield from me, you are welcome to send me an email to my email adress listed above.

Regards,
Mirco

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#949 1 year ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

And the pattern continues.. as will your poor reputation because of it.

I'm sorry but I must have missed your email, can you please let me know when you sent it? I expected that you contacted me today as it sounds like you are having issues with one of my products.

It is interesting and tells your story that you have time to complain here but did not email me to solve the issue you claim to have.

Weird....

Regards,
Mirco

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#1123 1 year ago

I think I have to chime in here again which I usually did not want. But if someone external would read these comments it sounds like we produce only crap and don't care. That is simply wrong.

Compared to the volume we produce the issues are really low. Please keep in mind here that we run approx. 20 times as many playfields per year or more than the other manufacturers do. This does of course result into more public issues, especially after being in business with playfields for more than 15 years.

Of course mostly pitchforkers are writing here as complains always cause more attention than other feedback.

Let's say you are right and we produce only crap, how can you explain that there is not a single playfield issue reported on TS?

Yes there are people writing about their experiences and issues. But the fact they don't write, most of the cases are years old. Not all, but most.

Of course I take popping up issues serious and adjust production as far as possible right away.

Does anybody here believe I have not changed anything in the past 15 years?!? Really?

There was a ton of quality control added to the process steps and also in process monitoring to make sure all boards are what they are supposed to be.

Yes, sometimes things slip trough quality control, especially as humans do the final inspection. But if so and there is really a big issue I ship out replacements right away. And even if it is not a qc issue but more cosmetic, you can always ship the part back and get a refund.

Good thing of this thread is that it does the opposite of what the pitchforkers want to reach here, it pushes sales instead of blocking them. Guess the reason is that people don't believe everything written online.

Best regards,

Mirco Steffen

#1129 1 year ago

Of course it is updated. But you are right I have not updated the website...

11 months later
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#2616 53 days ago
Quoted from Garrett:

That does appears to be the consensus.
It would also appear that what pisses pople off is lack of support at that point?
If someone payed for a new playfield and it quickly had issues with clear coat adherence don't they deserve a replacement? A serious refund? But it sounds like that's not happening.

If there is an issue with a recently bought playfield, it is replaced, usually if purchased in the past two years. The problem with many people here is that they are screaming and bashing even if they received a new playfield. Many other people here bashing are not even my customers. No idea what their Intention is to participate here...

Yes, sometimes I miss an email or pm but so far every massage was replied. Latest a reminder helps here...

Nearly all cases shown here happened on playfields made years ago with a different process which is no longer been used for years.

Does that mean I need to replace 10+ years old playfields which have now problems? Have you tried that with a car you bought, maybe second hand? Good luck...

The screamers here will probably not believe but there is usually less than 1 board out of 500 shipped ones which has issues out of whatever reason. Sometimes packages got lost or damaged or my people missed something. If that is the case the situation will be taken care of.

That is all I have say here. Go ahead bashers and scream more if that makes you happy.

Regards,
Mirco

#2619 53 days ago

I was just referring to shipped parts. I was not talking about production issues showing up and being adressed before the part ships.

Regards,
Mirco

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