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Mirco Playfields - WARNING for potential buyers

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Post #583 Mirco failure photos. Posted by ForceFlow (2 years ago)

Post #703 Alternate Playfield Restoration service Posted by petebest (1 year ago)

Post #795 List of Mirco playfield issues by HEP Posted by High_End_Pins (1 year ago)

Post #896 Response form PPS concerning playfield issues Posted by PPS (1 year ago)

Post #940 Response from Mirco Posted by Highclasspinball (1 year ago)

Post #1045 Peeling clearcoat Posted by Warzard (1 year ago)

Post #1096 quicksliver clearcoat failure under posts Posted by gdonovan (1 year ago)

Post #1097 Black Knight clearcoat failure under posts Posted by wolffcub (1 year ago)

Post #1119 Example of another playfield company standing behind their products Posted by ForceFlow (1 year ago)

Post #1123 Response from Mirco Posted by Highclasspinball (1 year ago)


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#423 2 years ago
Quoted from Elicash:

I bought the last playfield from CPR's recent WW run. Have not installed it yet. Anyone have experience with a WW pf purchased in the last 1.5 years or so?
I too heard about many of the issues nerdygrrl and others have had. It just made me depressed

This was a little better than a year ago. I did a playfield swap for a friend.

These were the minor issues.

What really pissed me off was Kevin initially took no responsibility for any of the issues we had. Pointed the finger at me and said it had to be all my fault because they have never had issues like this with any of their playfields. After a little research, we found that was not the case.

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#429 2 years ago
Quoted from galore2112:

To me the real Mirco problem is the art ink underneath lifting up and that’s about adhesion between ink and wood

You mean like this. This started out as 2 chips on the left side of the scoop. Keep in mind, this happened after a small handful of plays.

This pic is after stripping everything off the playfield and making an agreement for a replacement.

Just for fun, I started picking at the chips with a fingernail.

It got a lot worse than this.

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#456 2 years ago
Quoted from Only_Pinball:

Send it off to Kruzman.

I've seen a lot of people saying this but it makes no sense. While Ron does a great job of touching up and clearing playfields, if the issue is art not sticking to the playfield, redoing what's on top isn't going to make a damn bit of difference.

Here are three pics of a Mirco FH playfield swap I did for an op friend of mine. He sent me these pics after about a week's worth of play. While it looks minro now, I guarantee you it will get much worse.

I'm so fucking tired of this shit!

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#464 2 years ago
Quoted from bobukcat:

Ron has covered this before in his dedicated thread, I don't remember the details and am not at all well versed in all the proper terms but IIRC he basically removes some / all of the Mirco clear and then does his detailed, multi-step re-clear with curing between coats, etc. I understand your point about the art potentially still pulling up BUT if the clear on top never cracks / chips it can't really pull the art work up with it.

Makes some sense, but then I'll say you have a ticking time bomb. All it takes is a chip anywhere (scoop holes are prime spots) and if you don't seal it somehow, it's gonna spread.

#473 2 years ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

If something is truly not well bonded then it’s just a band aid.
Better than not but it’s not a true solution.
The true solution is to fix the root problem.
Looks to be adhesion.
Why can be tough to pin down but we really shouldn’t have to worry nor concern ourselves with that. The person that makes them should.
I reclear these,put protections in place and have a good success rate but it’s above and beyond whats required of almost any other playfield on the market. Be it NOS,Used ,CPR,etc.
It’s doable but frustrating.

And what do you do when shit happens to a playfield that you installed in a customers game? Do you warn everyone of what may happen and you're not responsible for it?

The FH playfield was for an op friend of mine and he knew the risks. The Whirlwind I posted earlier was for a good friend who lives nearby.

What do you do when it happens to a customer's game who may live across the country? Who's fault is it? They'll contact CPR or Mirco and they'll point the blame on the one who did the swap. That's you and me! We'll tell them differently but who will they believe?

#474 2 years ago
Quoted from orangegsx:

Welp mine just showed up trying to decide if I should clear it. It looks better than I thought it would honestly.
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Oh' it'll look fantastic! Feel the edge of all the holes. Are the edges real sharp? Like you could almost cut your finger on them? My understanding is all Mirco's playfields are CNC'ed after artwork and clear. I'm sure there's a reason he does this but I wish he wouldn't. I dare you to take a ball and tap the edge of any of those holes. Please don't...I'm just making a point.

Clearing it again will at least put some kind of protection on those edges so they aren't quite so prone to cracking or chipping.

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#476 2 years ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

It’s a well documented problem at this point so that helps.

Fuck it!

I need a beer.

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#480 2 years ago
Quoted from orangegsx:

The edges that will be exposed seem like they have clear brushed on them. Clear seems super hard like it has definitely cured. Harder than any clear we put on cars for sure.
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That's because the holes are tapered. Look at all the other holes.

If it were mine, I'd have it cleared just to seal all those edges.

#526 2 years ago
Quoted from romulusx:

Maybe German guys don’t care about your feelings or what we think?They are pretty rude at Disney World!

In all fairness, don’t lump them all together because of the actions of one.

11 months later
#1102 1 year ago

I just received a STTNG playfield from Mirco. It's for a playfield swap I'm doing for a local op friend. This game is going to get beat up bad at this location. It's going to get a ton of plays.

Artwork looks amazing. Are there slight color differences from the original and slight registration issues? Sure, but no one is going to give a shit once this game is on location. Even if it was going in my collection, I wouldn't care.

I will say, there isn't much clear on it. Like, not much at all.

What I don't like at all is the fact that he CNC's all the holes for lamps, posts, scoops, etc. after printing and clearing. It's the last thing that gets done. This results in razor sharp edges. LOTS of them. I can only imagine what's going to happen when a ball hits the sharp edge of say a scoop hole.

What I've done is cut strips of sandpaper and sanded the edges of every sharp edged hole so it's more of a rounded edge. Now it's going to my buddy's body shop where he'll put 4 coats of clear on it, spraying in all 4 directions so all edges of holes gets sealed. It then gets sanded and buffed.

Then, John and I will cross our fingers.

To everyone saying quit buying and Mirco will change his ways, some like my buddy John have no choice. His original STTNG is beyond help.

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#2000 6 months ago
Quoted from cottonm4:

Only after he signs over his first born.

You don’t want his kids.

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#2441 64 days ago
Quoted from High_End_Pins:

I received my TZ replacement.
I will just use the video to follow up.
Mirco High Class Playfields Twilight Zone Part 2

Anyone who has seen a Mirco playfield would have to agree that CNC'ing certain holes slots, etc. is the last thing done. THEY JUST ARE! Those edges are so sharp they're almost like a razor. Not sure how long this has been going on but I'd say the last couple years at least.

I've done the same as you with the last half dozen playfields I've received from him. Sand all those edges to remove the sharp edge then I have my guy apply 4 coats of clear from all four directions to seal all the edges. Then another 3-4 hours sanding and buffing.

Final cost for a Mirco playfield for me is $1500 once that's all done.

Having said that, I came to the conclusion the other day, it makes no difference who I get a playfield from, it's gong to cost me $1500. IT JUST IS!

I received a WCS from CPR the other day and it seemed obvious it had been sitting for quite some time. There was a dirty dust on it and there was more than normal ribbing present along with typical insert level issues.

About two weeks ago I got a Buthanburg T2 playfield that had been done about 4 years ago. The ribbing was twice as bad as the WCS and the insert issues were also twice as bad. That one took two clear sessions to make it look perfect.

I will also say, there's not a one of them that puts enough clear on. Not even close.

So long story short, I don't care where the playfield is coming from, I tell me guys the playfield is gong to cost them at least $1500.

That's just the way it is.

#2443 64 days ago
Quoted from flynnibus:

My guess is production speed. A playfield with no holes can be sanding/polished quicker and more reliably if it's just flat and uniform. Less cleanup time/human labor too.
If you can move to some automation without humans doing a lot of the detail work.. that's a huge savings in production time and per unit expense.
Speculation... but it seems to be more practical than "oh, we didn't know..."

I'll be at the Texas show this year and plan on asking him what the story is.

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#2564 57 days ago
Quoted from MiniPinHead:

It was said best a couple dozen posts earlier. If you want a very nice, brand new playfield, it'll probably cost you ~$1,500. Not that it should...

That was me. I have every repro playfield redone no matter who makes it. There simply isn’t enough clear on them from the factory and it will look a whole lot nicer when my guy is done with it.

I’ve ordered an MB playfield from Micro. I emailed him this morning to find out when it would ship he said it’s getting second coat this week and will ship Monday. I said I’m going to redo it anyway so just ship it whiteout the second coat. He said he would never ship one not completed by him and if I do anything to it it will void the warranty.

I just laughed.

#2598 55 days ago
Quoted from FatPanda:

If you do get it, make sure you budget an extra $1500 USD to get it corrected and re-cleared by somone that actually knows what they're doing....

I think this is in reference to my comment I made earlier?

I have a guy who does my clearing for $400. That pricing is because of what I do for him so it's a win win.

New playfield is $1100ish plus new clear is $1500. That's what's in it total. Not what the new clear costs.

The firsts three pics are of CPR WCS playfield I received about a month ago. Next three pics are after 4 coats of clear and 3 to 4 hours of sanding and buffing.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, no one makes a repro playfield that I would be willing to put in a restoration with having it redone. NO ONE!

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#2599 55 days ago
Quoted from slochar:

CaptainNeo does.

If you want decent work, yes.

If you want it to look nice, as I define nice, absolutely not.

#2601 55 days ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Have you gotten any of Peter's playfields? Buthamburg's?

I have. What I love about Peter's playfields are the colors. So rich and vibrant because he still screens them.

The issue is the clear. As far as I'm concerned, no one puts enough clear on them and you'll never get that glass finish unless they're sanded and buffed, which isn't going to happen with production work.

This is a T2 I bought from a guy who said the playfield was perfect. No issues. It was also from his first run which was roughly 4 years ago. When I complained to the guy he simply said he's never had anyone complain about a playfield he's sold.

This one cost closer to $800 to have redone. Took 2 sessions instead of one with 4 relatively light coats each session.

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#2604 55 days ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Interesting - my HS2 field (from ~2019 run, I believe) had good, solid clear on it. Even Ron Kruzman mentioned it was the best he's seen (traded it to him for another field; I didn't send it to him to get re-cleared.) Wonder if something changed between now and then.
(But yes, the screenprinting is awesome.)

Peter's are better than the others.

#2645 50 days ago
Quoted from smalltownguy2:

Get back to us when he **doesn't** ship on Monday.

It did not ship on Monday.

#2648 50 days ago
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:

It did not ship on Monday.

But it is shipping today. Just got notice.

At least a packing slip has been made up.

#2654 50 days ago
Quoted from j_m_:

what's the "over/under" for the number of days between shipping label generated and actually shipped? I'll go with 3

LOL Sorry. You lose. It's already at FedEx.

Takes maybe 5 days to get here.

#2660 48 days ago
Quoted from j_m_:

but how do you know that he didn't just ship you a cat, or a hair net or a sock?

In all fairness, it showed today and was an actual MB playfield.

Packaging has never been an issue. The cardboard he uses is super thick.

The playfield looks great. Colors are good and the clear is damn near perfect.

As with all Mirco's playfields, I can't stand the fact he does some CNC'ing after the clear is applied. I asked him why he does that via Email but never got a response. An example of this on MB is the Drac track. The entire track has razor sharp edges. I can only imagine what that track will look like if a ball catches any edge a time or two...chip chip chip.

So I will again void the warranty and sand all those sharp edges and have my guy re-clear it.

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