I have a Quicksilver that was purchased end of last year, still in the box.

All i was asking for was to put in clear inserts instead of colored ones, simple. They dont "make" or "process" it special. Not sure why you consider this so "special" a small handling charge from cpr was expected not a knife in the guts. But Mirco responded, same price doing a run of them soon. I Had my pf within 2 months

You clearly do not understand how manufacturing works.
Your request was frought with issues for the manufacturing line.
Then for you to come here in another vendors complaint thread and try and make them look bad speaks more about you than them.

I am truly sorry you didn't get you way, because we wouldn't hear about it.

Great hopefully you don’t have the clear lifting around your posts in a couple months after all
The time and money to swap a PF. And you want to thanks this guy saying risk vs reward?

I can do the customer service email from him for you:

“Djsolzs, you have tightened the posts too much, this should have been obvious to you, this is not my fault - it’s yours. Bye”

Lol I already know. I paid to have this done by a gentleman here on pinside who regularly restores and swaps PFs . This game was actually documented here on pinside. They were not I I know cause we discussed the topic.

Again no ownership here or for JJP games. I don’t expect to see it at any point. Just a warning to others.

Open lines of communication with the guy if you are thinking about buying a playfield from him. There are so many threads on here warning you not to do it.

I had this done by Mirco. I asked for inserts to be changed out to a different color on a Gorgar. Had Playfield 4 weeks later. No additional Charge

CPR playfields are no better. I have a restored Medusa done in 2018 with a CPR Gold playfield from 2016. The wood is shrinking and the inserts are raising. The machine has always been in a house or temperature controlled warehouse.

I wanted to buy a Mirco playfield for my Addams Family.
I looked at the pictures and saw that there was a "typo" in the yellow box in the lower left corner.

I contacted them and asked, if they could correct it. I was told that they won't change anything.

For some this might not be a big deal, but I won't buy a TAF from them.

Mechanix? That typo was intentional and was there on original games.

https://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=20&picno=73228&zoom=1

I think most people concede manufacturing from any company be it Stern, Mirco, JJP, Spooky etc are fraught with potential danger. What puts Mirco in a category of his own, is his utter dismissal of customer issues. My personal experience and many others, he just doesn't GAF.

They forgot to put spaces and wrote PatLawlor instead of Pat Lawlor.
As I said, not a big deal for some, but worth noting.

I still remember the hole in the back of CV. Easily fixed and thankfully easily hidden but that is pretty major and should have at least sent out the fix.

Late to the party, but I missed this. Are there details somewhere?

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cirqus-voltaire-refresh-cabinet-and-playfield-swaps/page/3#post-4167030

Credit where credit is due; the hardware location dimples on the Micro Quicksilver playfield are lightyears better than the last playfield I did from another vendor.

Most locations are spot on. The other game I assembled? I could safely disregard all markings as they were 100% off. All of them.

Bumping this up just to add another voice in the warning here. I purchased a Mirco PF and let it "cure" for 6 months. Installed it and within 2 months, the cure around EVERY post is pooling and chipping. And no, I did not overtighten these posts; I simply tightened them down just barely enough so they don't rotate.

Please note: my PF purchase was AFTER Mirco claimed to have "fixed" his CC issues and had a new "process" in place. I'm not saying don't buy from him; I am saying to beware of what you're getting and know that you're taking at least a 50% gamble if you don't re-clear.

Title and dates?

Posts on Facebook indicate Mirco is going to be a TPF'22.
I remind people here ... don't buy from this company.
Not worth the risk of getting defective playfields.
Apparently JJP continues to pay them enough for them to fly in... although; I doubt he's going to ship PFs for sale at the show. which means people are going get suckered in.

Zitt yes I already had my lock on him here

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mircoplayfields-at-texas-pinball-festival-#post-6825299

Quicksilver. Purchased 2/25/20

Find out soon enough, I purchased one the end of last year and just finished making the wiring harness.

I recommend adding these just for some protection gdonovan

https://www.pinballlife.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PBL-700-0069-00-70

https://www.pinballlife.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=PBL-700-0070-00-70

Obviously it sucks to have to add extra things that cost more but I did have pooling on my 2020 Quicksilver (after 8 months of curing) which stopped after I went back and added these. It took a few months to start showing the pooling and chipping.

Pretty clear you'll likely have the same problems. I'd have Ron fix it for you first, so the install is one and done.

Does it suck that you have to have a brand new playfield repaired with proper clearcoat? Yes. But it's part of the well-documented Mirco experience if you want to go that way.

Anyone have experience with the micro bsd playfield? I need one sooner or later and haven't seen one available from other vendors.

1) That ship has sailed, it will be operational in the next week or two.

2) Some people have issues, some don't. Plenty of people have had zero issues. If 100% of his playfields chipped JJP would not be using his playfields, far too much liability.

If I have an issue I can re-clearcoat it myself thanks and I'll cross that bridge when I get there. If it happens you will hear about it in this thread undoubtedly.

Thanks, I'll look into them.

Just on the posts that get ball strikes or all?

Looking forward to it.

Somewhat negative view you have there pal, wishing misfortune on someone not a net positive.

I ended up putting them on all the posts. Maybe overkill, maybe not. I was already doing most, so I figured I would just do them all. IIRC, even the upper posts of the rollover lanes up top had some pooling.

JJP has changed their warranty to exclude playfields all together. Not sure what “liability” you’re referring too?

There are only a few companies that make playfields n JJP screwed things up with the other thus are (basically) stuck with Mirco.

Never mind.

I'm absolutely NOT hoping you have a bad experience, just being realistic. Mirco has a terrible track record, especially with Quicksilver. The odds are not in your favor. That's just the way it is.

I actually *hope* you're one of the lucky few (are there any lucky few for Mirco Quicksilver PFs?). So wishing fortune in your endeavor, but realistic enough to know you'll probably waste a ton of time having to take it all apart and have it fixed at your expense later because, like shingles, Mirco doesn't care.

Comes off negative but I was thinking the same thing. I hope you don’t have issue. But if you do it will happen within 100 plays and would appreciate you reporting it.

Got me once and I’ve bought another PF prior I’m putting off installing since I found this issue in my installed one. Plus buddy bought same PF and has issues.

I think CPR is willing, but I have no idea why JJP isn't at least TRYING CPR for their CE machines. Smaller run, supposedly more premium machine at a higher price. Make it the test for switching to CPR, or if they can't handle the volume and a CE test works out, just do CPR for all JJP CEs from here out.

Or find the source for American and Spooky pins as they don’t have these playfield issues.

That's what the other poster was talking about. Spooky (and I think American's) supplier is Bader, who JJP royally pissed off when Bader playfields were having problems with ink adhesion on early WoZ. So, that bridge is burned.

Thanks for pointing these out, been installing them and might put them on all my projects now.

FWIW- The clear on this playfield strikes me on the hard side compared to what CPR uses.

When chamfering some holes it notable.

I don't recommend that.

HEP experience:
"Whoever is coming up with these “fixes” are doing themselves and their customers more harm than good.
It’s like “Oh the ink is lifting around that 1/2 inch washer. I have the solution here’s a 3/4 incher on the house”
Two months later “We are sorry to hear that the ink has lifted around that 3/4 inch washer. Here is a 1 inch washer. “
Before you know it the entire playfield is going to be covered in wrinkles and big washers."

He explained a solution (with pictures):
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/gnrce-playfield-issues?tu=High_End_Pins

I'm more concerned with chipping than "ink lifting"

The slightly elastic washer will absorb some hit rather than transmit it fully to the clear surface.

This applies to any clearcoat playfield, I'm sure all of us have seen playfields where the posts have chewed the hell out of the surface. This is an experiment I wish to try and on its face a possible solution.

Here is an easy way to ease your mind before swapping a pf. These are 2 that I bought from Mirco 6 or 8 months ago.

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I mount a star post in hidden area, with nut and washer on backside, so I can really crank these down.
If no pooling around post here, it wont happen anywhere else.

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And if it did happen to pool, I would mount every post to pf and let the pooling happen.
Use iron technique to flatten, and problem doesnt return.
I did this on a machine that we put in Pincinnati tournament this year. No way Id chance that abuse if I was concerned with recurrence.

That works - unless it chips first. That’s my issue.

There's no art under those posts (between the clear coat and wood) in those hidden areas, so there's going to be no pooling. It's the introduction of digitally printed art between the clear coat and the wood, that allows the pooling to happen. This is why Stern removed art from beneath post mounting areas on their digitally printed playfields. I'm puzzled why JJP and Mirco refuses to do so.

I disagree.
But if that were the case, put a couple posts in the slingshot areas then.

Agree with this!

Remember, Mirco still believes there's nothing wrong with his pf! Jack thinks the issues are a result of owners doing something!

So are you suggesting for people to buy the pf and leave it for "6 or 8 months" to see if pooling happens?

Pooling can happen anywhere.
It's not safe to assume all parts of the pf cure equally, have the same density, or have the same adhesion parameters