I still disagree. The rubber isolators I am familiar with have a rubber substance with some sort of threaded fastener on either side of the rubber which allow the rubber to float free.

Here is an automotive motor mount with the "rubber" bonded to metal on both sides. The rubber is floating free, allowing the mount to cushion the engine from the vehicle frame and dampening engine vibration from the vehicle frame.

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Here is another design with flange mounts on both sides of the rubber isolator with a threaded hole coming in from the other side, allowing two pieces to be attached and still be insulated from each other.

And one more. This style is an inner barrel and outer barrel with rubber in between. When you install the flange plates to the bolts they are isolated from the mounting plate.

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IMO, a rubber washer compressed between a post and the play field is not an vibration isolator. When that post is screwed down tight, there is no way the rubber washer can move and no way the post can float free. It is down tight. It is the equivalent of taking this style of isolator

and drilling a hole all the way through the center, installing whatever attaches to this center hole and running a bolt all the way though and tightening down. Do this and you have lost most, if not all, isolating properties of the rubber mount.

This is how I see it.

I'm not knocking the use of the solid washer that you employ. I just prefer the rubberized washers. Trust me. They are down tight and there is no movement of the post.

How did he flatten it out? I have a STTNG that could use it

Welcome to the Hudrolic Press channel

You can't violate the laws of thermal dynamics

Even rock-hard hockey pucks bolted through to solid concrete will absorb the vibration of a 125 gallon tank and compressor; Converting that energy to heat.

You can hear the difference when a ball hits those silicone washer posts, even when torqued down almost to the plastic's failure point.

... and you can hear the difference, because there is a difference...

But if you like that feel, that's fine, it's your game.

Thermodynamics*

Is that the sound of clear cracking?

I put the silicone washers on Sterns, too, because why let plastic edges dig in over years and eventually hit the artwork? No thanks. People do all sorts of things with the rubber rings that affect gameplay much more than a silicone washer under a star post. You might even find people more passionate over their red rings because they are made with a different formula than the rest, haha.

vid1900 is right, it's your game so protect it how you want, or don't

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What I can tell you is that as my DF play field sits in waiting as I finish other projects the DF play field displays no insert sinking. The play field is a smooth as glass. I can close my eyes and run my fingers over the surface and there is no surface imperfections.

Who knows? Maybe in another 6 months I will see some insert sinking, but so far there is nothing.

Sounds like you would have already seen that happening by now, so you should be ecstatic you’re in the clear (no pun)

DERP!!!

its the German spelling !

Haven't checked on this thread for awhile. Good to see Mirco still sucks at quality control.

Oh yea things will never change

And people will keep making excuses to buy and be dissapointed

Yea I don’t get it lol I know I won’t ever again but that’s me ,people should know better

This source also appears to come from Mirco, or just carry the same error: https://pinside.com/pinball/shops/shop/1026-pinball-haus/05555-fish-tales-mini-playfield-new

Can always utilize CPR for FT: https://classicplayfields.com/?s=fish+tales&post_type=product

CPR

CPR is missing the yellow for both of the purple fish eyes, though. This is original:

Original

Mirco's with the incorrect STARTBOARD:

Mirco

Sent Mirco an email letting him know the issue, so hopefully it'll get corrected.

He's well known for immediately correcting errors that people point out to him

Biggest issue is termites love this stuff vs regular 2 X 12s it pre digested junk food for them. I see them using strand board on roofs and wonder how long they last when they get wet....

I hear ya.

Modern I-joists have Boride right in the resin during manufacturing, same as blown-in cellulose insulation.

When we were doing the Katrina recovery, the I-joists and LVLs were dyed red, to show they were even NOLA termite proof.

Even the spray foam insulation had to have Boride in it, because even though termites don't eat the foam, they will tunnel through it if it's not treated!

Mirco is doing direct print cabinets now. Should be interesting to see how that plays out quality wise

I’m sure he will know, wasting your time. He has form!

I can't wait to see the Tails of the Arabian Knights cabinet.

Even in FB picture you see some defects...

For White Water, Mirco utilized a stock cabinet and the plans from PPS. I'm anxious to see that one produced, and the price. Bummed the transformer platform isn't present in that Medieval Madness presentation.

What defects? I was surprised he dimpled the cabinet screw holes.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/direct-print-wms-cabinets-available-now-addams-medieval-and-more

Now he's peddling his direct print cabinets on Pinside. We need to let people know about his bad reputation

Amazing that he's expanding his product line when it seems like he's already in too deep to keep up with his current line. It seems like he's already spread too thin. Makes me think the issues with his playfields has nothing to do with rushing or crunch, it's just a bad process.

This can’t be good here we go again lol

We went from blaming JJP for using the wrong hardware and torqing the posts down too hard to essentially handwaving and saying “eh it’s better now because that was years ago”.

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I'm sure Mirko is laughing at all these posts.

He obviously doesn't care and y'all who bitch about him obviously aren't impacting his business to any degree.

He serves a total niche market with basically zero competition and in this position he can sacrifice newborn babies as ink for red color and he still will have people buying his stuff because the alternative is a worn playfield and if there's anything I learned as an adult, it's that people don't give a shit about others as long as they get theirs.

So it doesn't matter if your had a rotten experience - people just take the chance that they won't and Mirko is the only one who has what they want.

There is zero chance that he'll improve customer service because people buy his stuff regardless.

I would have bought one of his playfields already if it wasn't for this thread and I guarantee there are others out there like myself so I think you're wrong.

I'd hope PPS would allow Buthamburg to make the Mirco playfields before this transpired

For those out of the know, Planetary Pinball will NOT allow anyone but Mirco to make some of these playfields, like White Water. I don't know why, but not anyone can come in and produce them, even if the product would be quality. Buthamburg has asked Planetary about several and were rebuffed.

That's sad ... his playfields are amazing !

It's probably about time to just start torrenting the art files and everyone just have their local sign shop print them.

Every major city has dozens of shops that can print directly on plywood or plexiglass

8 square feet printed on a "double run" is $56 around these parts

Yes you are way better off using your old one way better then Mirco that’s for sure will never buy again my self we all learn not to

That is not a warp. That is a bow. Bowing is caused by unequal drying of both sides of the ply wood. You can google the causes, but it looks like your bottom side has absorbed moisture. Try laying it in the hot sun for 30 minutes or so to dry out the bottom side. Place some weight on it when you do this. Get some anlge iron and clamp the play field straight and put it somewhere that is dry.

I had a bowing problem come up with a play field I was restoring. I thought I was in deep shit but I did get the problem fixed. Here is my link that talks the problem, if you are interested. This was 7 years ago and I play this game almost everyday. But for a little while I thought my goose was cooked.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/how-the-hell-do-i-fix-a-bowed-play-field

A couple of things I learned when I was dealing with this problem is that the play field hangers that settle into the lockdown bar receiver and some rubber bumpers at the back of the play field do their part in holding a play field straight to help keep it from warping, bowing , or twisting.

I suggest you send your pics to Mirco and see if you get any help from him. You probably will not not, but if you never ask you never get laid.

Interesting. In the Mirco cabinets thread, he just essentially admitted that he made bad playfields. He knows it and doesn’t try to deny it. And yet, he never made it right with the overwhelming majority of us who got stuck with his subpar garbage products. Don’t buy from Mirco. He’s been touting this “we fixed it!” b.s. line for YEARS.

This made me check mine. I have had it for at least 5 years and it has the same spelling. So good luck getting it changed!
Why are they allowed to sell such crap!

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No accountability. What ever happened to PPS looking into all of these reported issues.

As long as PPS get their money they don't care about the subpar products that are put out. It has been shown multiple time with multiple dishonest sellers. Mirco, Classic Arcades and Haggis should be enough to show anyone that PPS don't care.

He makes the claim that he has refunded or made it right with everyone who has had an issue with his playfields. Someone with a problem playfield needs to reach out and see if he is actually going to make good on that claim. Document it and show proof.

I had a pretty bad warping issue with an Addams Family playfield that I posted earlier in this thread. He did end up replacing it, so maybe there's hope for those with clear coat issues.

HA! I should post my email exchange with him - I reached out in a normal manner as claimed below. Got a big fuck you in return.

Guys, time to post your interactions that went bad with Mirco. He is claiming he has "made right" with everyone who has had problems with his playfields in the past 2 years. Post here: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/direct-print-wms-cabinets-available-now-addams-medieval-and-more/page/3

Where is my RTOFL meme?
PPS only cares when he thinks he might have to hire a lawyer to protect himself and/or his revenue stream.
You only have to read the lip service he gave here earlier in the thread to see his real motivation.

Mirco has been knocked off from DPX (dutch pinball exclusive) welcome buthamburg.
if dutch pinball was so happy with Mirco's TBL playfields they certainly keep them for Alice in wonderland production right ?

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