Yea, well I'll wait and see. The T2 cab decals have several errors that are obvious and have kept me from buying.

Lets not oversimplify this stuff. There's a lot of work to get correct reproductions.

I’ve purchased 2 playfields in my life. First one was T2 from Buthamburg, and the other was Space Invaders from CPR. T2 was totally superior across the board, just looks so much better as it’s screen printed. The SI is fine, still waiting for it to cure, but you can definitely see the scan lines of the printing process when you look at light reflections in just the right way.

I guess I’m saying this because I didn’t know about Buthamburg building a new facility and I look forward to figure offerings by them.

What we the errors on the cab decals? I have some downstairs, but decided not to even put them on after my extensive (first time) playfield swap.

I still don't know why some people are still buying from him most are grap and he doesn't care at all he just wants your money

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mirco-playfields-warning-for-potential-buyers/page/7#post-6655791

When I posted that I pulled images directly from their site. I have no idea if they've since fixed these issues. I'd be in for a set if they have.

Check this out: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/buthamburg-new-facility-merry-christmas-and-a-happy-new-year

I’ll take some pics of the ones I have if you wanna see them. I didn’t notice anything, but also didn’t look too hard, I guess

siiiiick

I’m curious about more info on this. Is he scamming people? Are people not getting what they agree to? Is his work not up to what it should be?

It's everything u said and more just read all the post here it's all true art work is not the best ,clear coat not the same as oil base is what he's using doesn't really dry and when it does chips off under posts ,I got one a year ago and he said its ready too install and I got it and it's wasn't. Dry I heard some people have too wait a year for it too dry and still things happen too them all so it's really not worth anything better off restoring your own for cheaper in the long run

Anyone in Canada doing playfield restores? Absolute is tied up with his own games right now.

If talking about Mirco, then yes, he sucks. If talking about Kruzman, then no, he is legit.

Yes, I should’ve clarified. I was asking about Kruzman, thank you. I’m in the middle of buying a playfield from him and started mildly freaking out trying to find other bad things people were saying and was having a very hard time doing so. Thank you for saying this, really. I started to doubt him and for no real reason at all, he’s been fantastic to deal with this whole time.

Yeah, Kruzman is 100% legit. He's done 2 playfields for me that turned out great, and I've been to his place multiple times. He's a good guy and an asset to our community.

I’m so glad you all are saying this. Like I said, he d given me zero reason to doubt him at all, and has been super nice and fun to deal with. Then that one little message on this thread that I didn’t clarify my question on started slowly eating away at my brain thinking “these people have all had shit experiences with him as well as Mirco”

yes kruzman is THE BEST, check out his link: KRUZMAN monthly playfield thread By kruzman (3 years ago) a lot of great info and oictures of his amazing work

if I recall, a big portion of the issues with mirco's playfields were that the insert holes didn't have the step/ledge inside of them for the insert to bottom out. without that ledge, the insert is free to fall [into] the playfield, below the surface after the screening and clearcoat, which is causing what you see in your images.

And the clear he used is not oil base like it should be ,he's never really drys that hard plus the art work is always off line most times and he says its with in reason wtf

Why is Mirco allowed to continue advertising their playfields on Pinside? I feel for those that don't know the issues or what they are getting into when purchasing from them.

Completely agreed

Be interesting to hear what robin take on this is cause I completely agree. This guy is a thief in my opinion.

Yes he should be NOT be selling this grap on Pinside or fix everything with theses PF and we all know he won't do that

At least tag a warning or disclaimer on the ads, something like:

- Clear coat may not be stable and is known to be prone to pooling/flaking etc.
- Seller does not acknowledge any issues with their product and takes no responsibility
- For long term durability, reclear of playfield will be necessary

Man the clear is just one issue. Holes not even close to lining up with the art, etc.. Major problems. “Reproduction” seems like a falsehood as they’re not even close to the originals.

Ya as for the holes not lining up with art work under the PF the T nuts don’t even fit in wtf is that grap

This whole thing is just sad. And the fact that its gone on for a few years now? Hard to believe nothing has been done.

Something should be done with this it’s not worth anything

I think a dedicated thread for his ban of Pinside should be created and the upvote on first post should show to the moderators what people think about his products. It needs to end.

Yes I am with u really needs too end

Or perhaps just don’t buy his products. You guys and your ‘ban this!’ and ‘ban that!’ are freaky… why can’t it be enough to just let your opinions be known and stop trying to enforce your ways on everyone else?

I have a Mirco Quicksilver pf that was recleared by Ron Kruzman and it is glorious. Where else would I have gotten that playfield? Yeah, sure, maybe I am Satan himself to you all for grabbing that playfield… but that was my choice. So make your own choices - but stop trying to push them on all of us.

Agreed. I am all for that… informing buyers (even though these days even reviews are proving to be fraudulent) is great. And start threads about your experiences… good or bad. The pitchfork stuff is just stupid though… and totally counterproductive.

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Rating is also a good idea. At the end, i don’t think people check that much before buying and there are a lot of people who don’t consult or check all the thread in existence or just will type Mirco in the research bar. At the end, the same stories will repeat over and over. The only leverage for him to change is money so for this, if his store could be removed or « flaged with warning » maybe and maybe, he could start listening to critics which he can’t do right now. Just MO.

I am a super picky guy, over the top maybe. Some say a wacko. I have no doubt a Mirco PF is not good enough for me.

Do you think normal non-picky people are happy with Mirco products?

I think only picky people do PF swaps.

I wouldn't consider myself overly picky. I try to be a realist on things, but the chipping underneath the posts and the bad dimpling are real issues.

The licensors should pull the plug on him due to quality issues. Oh well, I will just restore originals instead of pay a dime… sorry PPS you’re missing out on a lot of $$$ from me.

Ya after the one I got then sold it because I wasn't going too but that grap in my machine for now on I will spend my money on restoring my old PF and at the end of the day you really have something

Yes - imagine the time and cost to repopulate a playfield only to see chips of clear and paint sliding down your playfield with the ball as you play. It’s not about a bubble here or there you can’t see or wouldn’t notice.

This isn’t about being picky - it’s a faulty product made poorly.

He pays a lot of money for ads on Pinside. I really doubt that they’re going to boot him. He pays PPS a lot of money for licenses so they won’t do anything either.

I really don't understand his thought process. There's no shame in changing your process and making improvements when necessary. He must have a passion for the hobby to be going through all the work to make the playfields.
Sure powering on and churning out a product with issues is easier money in the short term, but I think if he made the changes he'd be more than financially rewarded in the future..

I doubt that he wants to make a poor product. If nothing else, he's probably sick of all the complaining. It could easily be that to really fix the issues he would need to purchase new expensive tooling and/or change to new processes - that may not even be possible for him.

Doesn't help that he has pretty much been in hiding since all of this and failed to acknowledge a problem with his product. That in itself says a lot about him and his business morale. Take ownership for your mistake and fix it moving forward, don't just continue to sell and supply a faulty product.

This is why others here are suggesting to ban him, regardless of whether he pays a substantial advertising fee, he is selling a faulty product. The playfield is the heart and soul of the machine, its not an easy part for the average user to just "replace", so many people are stuck with damaged playfields in their machines because of his products.

Its a real shame because his playfields look beautiful, but when the artwork starts to chip off after no more then 10 games, after putting countless hours into a playfield swap, its a devastating feeling and it turns you off the hobby some what. Speaking from personal experience.

And as far as I know he’s still stuck using water-based clear because Europe. I don’t know how much that actually contributes to the problem but seems like a factor.

Add:
Vectorized Art issues, bad fonts, and missing text.

We all hope so but I really don't think he will as u said they are for the fire pit will never buy again and everyone here should do the same

That seems like the big one. Even if he can fix his clear and QA issues, if he can't get his equipment to stick art to wood it's kinda pointless.

Ya your way better off restoring your old PF then u have something after it’s done no more buying for me I spend my money on restoring the old one way better in the long run then I will know it will last for ever

I was not trying to justify his business practices.

But some people here were like "why doesn't he just fix the problems?". As if he is thinking, "I could do a lot better, but why bother as long as I'm making money."

It may be that the problems are outside of his ability and/or finances to fix. So he makes what he can with what he's got.

That doesn't excuse his pretending that there isn't a problem, but then what are his other choices?
He could just shut down (which helps no one), or he could say "Yes, I know it's crap, but it's all I have." Neither of those seems to be a great answer.