He was there to present a new product. Not answer quality control questions from random folks.
Think they should of had someone managing the questions to keep people from being confrontational.
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Quoted from TechnicalSteam:He was there to present a new product. Not answer quality control questions from random folks.
Think they should of had someone managing the questions to keep people from being confrontational.
Nah, people should torch his ass every chance they get.
What a scumbag. "We will not be responsible for any 3rd party sales."
So basically no one's taking any responsibility for anything. Great.
Quoted from smalltownguy2:What a scumbag. "We will not be responsible for any 3rd party sales."
So basically no one's taking any responsibility for anything. Great.
and in the end people will continue to throw money his way!
Quoted from TechnicalSteam:He was there to present a new product. Not answer quality control questions from random folks. Think they should of had someone managing the questions to keep people from being confrontational.
Don't open the floor to questions if you don't want to answer questions. If you know that a substantial number of people in the pinball community feel you've sold them a defective product, and you then volunteer to stand on a stage while those same people are handed a microphone, you get what you get.
If after seeing that seminar today you give him one penny as a US consumer you’re out of you f-ing minds and you get what you deserve.
Quoted from radium:Three words ….
Class
Action
Lawsuit
Have fun doing that with a German company from the USA.
Quoted from fosaisu:Don't open the floor to questions if you don't want to answer questions. If you know that a substantial number of people in the pinball community feel you've sold them a defective product, and you then volunteer to stand on a stage while those same people are handed a microphone, you get what you get.
You got to admit that it was pretty brave to sit there and then to be so bold as to answer questions that way.I know they can’t outright admit the issues but it would be nice to see if they’ve figured a better way forward
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:Here are three pics of a Mirco FH playfield swap I did for an op friend of mine. He sent me these pics after about a week's worth of play. While it looks minro now, I guarantee you it will get much worse.
I'm so fucking tired of this shit!
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Oof. I bet he's pissed.
Brave? No way… maybe ballsy or cocksure but brave I don’t think that was bravery
Quoted from romulusx:You got to admit that it was pretty brave to sit there and then to be so bold as to answer questions that way.I know they can’t outright admit the issues but it would be nice to see if they’ve figured a better way forward
Quoted from romulusx:You got to admit that it was pretty brave to sit there and then to be so bold as to answer questions that way.
Wouldn't call it brave. Denial is more like it. Mirco is convinced there's nothing wrong with his product and people keep throwing money at him. He will continue to make pf for JJP so at this time ..... nothing is wrong in his mind.
Quoted from romulusx:You got to admit that it was pretty brave to sit there and then to be so bold as to answer questions that way.
"Brazen" might be a better word under the circumstances!
WHAT. A. FUCKING. TOOLBAG that asswipe is.
"Put in a ticket or email me." Asshole, you're right there being asked a question.
Hey, kudos to Kaneda for getting the ball rolling. Everyone should have been booing that Mirco guy to ruin his seminar much like he ruined many peoples' pinball machines.
I had to sell my GNR because I could tell some slight pooling was beginning and I didn't want to deal with that shit.
If I was there, I'd give him the stinkpalm handshake.
Quoted from romulusx:You got to admit that it was pretty brave to sit there and then to be so bold as to answer questions that way.I know they can’t outright admit the issues but it would be nice to see if they’ve figured a better way forward
Bullshit. It would have been simple to just say, “we’re always working to improve our process, if you have any issues please contact customer support, I can give you the info after the seminar”.
Instead, he pretended that there were no issues like a stubborn child. And he was a rude dick about it. He looked like a fool, just like when he posted in this thread.
I wish they’d at least stop giving this guy WMS licenses.
Quoted from TechnicalSteam:He was there to present a new product. Not answer quality control questions from random folks.
Think they should of had someone managing the questions to keep people from being confrontational.
Why are y’all downvoting this guy.
Quoted from fosaisu:"Brazen" might be a better word under the circumstances!
Ok brazen is a better word for this dumb ass
Quoted from radium:Bullshit. It would have been simple to just say, “we’re always working to improve our process, if you have any issues please contact customer support, I can give you the info after the seminar”.
Instead, he pretended that there were no issues like a stubborn child. And he was a rude dick about it. He looked like a fool, just like when he posted in this thread.
I wish they’d at least stop giving this guy WMS licenses.
Maybe German guys don’t care about your feelings or what we think?They are pretty rude at Disney World!
Quoted from romulusx:Maybe German guys don’t care about your feelings or what we think?They are pretty rude at Disney World!
I thought they were like this
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Quoted from romulusx:Maybe German guys don’t care about your feelings or what we think?They are pretty rude at Disney World!
In all fairness, don’t lump them all together because of the actions of one.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:In all fairness, don’t lump them all together because of the actions of one.
Just fucking kidding man!
Quoted from GroggyFrogFace:It’s interesting that he’s only going to sell the new product through his website, and not through other vendors, and then goes on to discuss that he can’t take responsibility for anything that is not a direct sale from him. Can someone explain how skewed silkscreen prints are caused by shippers or 3rd party vendors?
He's talking about when he's the vendor for another company (aka the OEM component supplier. JJP, etc)
Quoted from paynemic:Does anyone have a link to a place to “open a ticket” with Mirco? I have some pooling on my new FH pf I’d like to submit. I think a link posted in this thread would be a good idea…
Unless I'm missing it, there does not appear to currently be a public contact form or email address listed on his website.
Maybe there's something there once you log in?
I did notice lorem ipsum filler text on the about pages.
I have issues with just about all my mirco playfields including ones that came with my nib games. Its so disappointing when you buy a playfield and spend a obscene amount of time doing a restoration and things don’t line up or need to be heavily modified. I personally will not buy nib games or repros if I know mirco makes them. I am tired of spending good money on problematic playfields. Unacceptable!!!
I have many cpr playfields and while they are not perfect they are a hell of of lot better than mirco.
Just saw you guys leave the room as Chris was finishing his stream. It was so uncomfortable at the end people were just getting up and leaving. ENJOY the rest of the show!!
Sidcup
OUCH… that was a disaster.
People need to vote with their cash. After this I will not be buying another JJP or repro playfield.
I hope JJP realise that using this company will impact sales and could result in them going under, unless the issues are sorted
Another playfield manufacture needs to get in on this.. give Planetary the licence fee, make a good product and they will clear up!
How’s CPR these days..
Quoted from romulusx:Maybe German guys don’t care about your feelings or what we think?They are pretty rude at Disney World!
Sure. Me too.
Otherwise thanks everyone for giving him a hard time. He really deserves it
Quoted from Kobaja:Sure. Me too.
lol
Quoted from Pinhead1982:How’s CPR these days..
Some folks have pointed out in other threads that artwork for certain games isn't quite right or as detailed as it should be (keylines were much too thick on a few titles).
I don't think I've seen mention of clearcoat pooling under posts or clearcoat failures, but on some examples, there have been raised lips around hole edges and gaps or ridges around inserts. So, some people opt to send CPR playfields to get re-cleared by someone else. I'm not sure if that's been addressed/corrected in more recent runs.
Quoted from ForceFlow:Some folks have pointed out in other threads that artwork for certain games isn't quite right or as detailed as it should be (keylines were much too thick on a few titles).
I don't think I've seen mention of clearcoat pooling under posts or clearcoat failures, but on some examples, there have been raised lips around hole edges and gaps or ridges around inserts. So, some people opt to send CPR playfields to get re-cleared by someone else. I'm not sure if that's been addressed/corrected in more recent runs.
This was a run of CPW WW from a year or so ago...I and many others have had the same issue with their WW. I can't speak for their other PF's.
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:This was a little better than a year ago. I did a playfield swap for a friend.
These were the minor issues.
What really pissed me off was Kevin initially took no responsibility for any of the issues we had. Pointed the finger at me and said it had to be all my fault because they have never had issues like this with any of their playfields. After a little research, we found that was not the case.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]
Quoted from Bryan_Kelly:You mean like this. This started out as 2 chips on the left side of the scoop. Keep in mind, this happened after a small handful of plays.
This pic is after stripping everything off the playfield and making an agreement for a replacement.
Just for fun, I started picking at the chips with a fingernail.
It got a lot worse than this.
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Quoted from Pinhead1982:OUCH… that was a disaster.
People need to vote with their cash. After this I will not be buying another JJP or repro playfield.
I hope JJP realise that using this company will impact sales and could result in them going under, unless the issues are sorted
Another playfield manufacture needs to get in on this.. give Planetary the licence fee, make a good product and they will clear up!
How’s CPR these days..
I have a Xenon and a Meteor from CPR and I’m happy with both. Also their customer service is excellent. My Meteor had a paint error and they replaced it with a new one at no cost to me. Certainly light years better than the crook Mirco.
Montpellier
I was at the TPF. I own a Scared Stiff, the playfield is trashed. I want to restore it and there is no other options currently available. So I bought the only Scared Stiff playfield Mirco had at his booth on Friday night.
I will do my best. Following HEP techniques I will sand, reclear probably twice, with the best 2-part automotive clear I can find. And then I will let it cure a month or 2. And finally I will install Cliffy's or other protectors around any hole I can.
This really sucks, I would have had preferred spending $1100 elsewhere. I understand that I'm possibly going to face a fiasco after some time and I don't want to take the guy's side, but honestly, what else could I do ? (wait for CPR I guess...) 
Quoted from manples:(wait for CPR I guess...)
CPR doesn't generally do competing titles if they're already available on the market.
Quoted from ForceFlow:CPR doesn't generally do competing titles if they're already available on the market.
Seawitch
Quoted from gdonovan:Seawitch
Well, I said generally 
For Seawitch, it was taking multiple years to actually fulfill orders. CPR was able to produce them much faster.
Quoted from ForceFlow:Well, I said generally
For Seawitch, it was taking multiple years to actually fulfill orders. CPR was able to produce them much faster.
Someone announced they were taking over GW production and CPR got right out there.
I had a great experience with 8 Mirco playfields, and a pile of Radcal decals.
Jersey Jack just uses posts with smaller diameter than holes thru playfileds.
This puts all lateral forces to the surface of playfield vs/ the wood in the hole.
Williams/Bally/others use posts that touch the side walls of thru-playfield holes.
The issue with JJP playfields is not Mirco's fault, but rather JJP
Mirco told me JJP is fixing this in the next title by using holes and posts of the same diameter.
No more tilting over of posts, and posts moving around messing up the clear.
Scott
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