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Mirco - Exclusive Classic Stern Parts Manufacture? Bogus Legal Threats!


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    #52 6 months ago

    There is a legal term called an "orphaned work" for a copyrighted work that doesn't have a clear owner, or an owner who can't be contacted.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orphan_work

    Orphaned works are *not* in the public domain. They are still copyrighted, and if the owner of the work should ever resurface, they could technically still enforce their copyright rights at any time. So, anyone who uses an orphaned work is rolling the dice.

    Quoted from bluespin:

    b) The patents on the Stern Electronics company products has long since expired

    As Aurich mentioned, patents are completely different. Basically, they cover inventions or methods of doings things.

    Copyright covers creations, such as art, music, film, writings, etc.

    Anything that is created is automatically copyrighted. However, you can also register a copyright, which makes the rights a bit easier to enforce in court (especially at the federal level) should a dispute arise and be able to potentially collect damages from copyright infringement.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_registration

    Since when patents and copyrights are mentioned, trademarks usually pop into the conversation as well, but those are something else entirely. Those help enforce the use of a company's name, logo, special product names, special & specific terminology, etc.

    Quoted from bluespin:

    Both Starship Fantasy (Larry) and Pinisder Freeplay40 make ramps

    Since you brought up ramps; functional objects cannot be copyrighted, trademarked, or patented. However, the decals (which have artwork on them) are copyrighted. That's sometimes why you see parts created without the decals.

    #53 6 months ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    You don't need to put a copyright notice on something for it to be copyrighted. That's automatic. Nor does it have anything to do with patents.

    The law changed in ~1979, prior to that, if you did not put a copyright notice in writing on the work, it was unprotected.

    That's why anyone can sell copies, stills, artwork or whatever of "Night of the Living Dead" the distributor of the film forgot to put the copyright at the beginning. It's totally unprotected.

    #54 6 months ago
    Quoted from Aurich:

    You don't need to put a copyright notice on something for it to be copyrighted. That's automatic. Nor does it have anything to do with patents.

    This is true now, but it wasn't always the case. For stuff prior to 1978 it gets murky and complicated.

    Quoted from jj44114:

    The trademarks, patents, etc. need to be renewed every 10-20 years or so, or they will lapse. They may have not been renewed at all.

    This was true for copyrights, but isn't true anymore. Patents and trademarks are treated differently than copyright.

    Explore the craziness here:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_law_of_the_United_States

    #55 6 months ago
    Quoted from jj44114:

    The trademarks, copyrights, etc. need to be renewed every 10-20 years or so, or they will lapse. They may have not been renewed at all.

    Not quite.

    US Patents need to be renewed at 3 years, 7 years, and 11 years. The renewals cannot be pre-paid or pre-registered for the maximum protection period. Patents expire after 20 years.

    The laws on copyright vary and have bunch of rules and exceptions. But in general, with works created after 1978, authors get life + 70 years. Or, in the case of a company's works, 95 years after the publication date. Prior to 1978, works did not receive automatic copyright, and instead needed to be registered to receive copyright protection.

    #56 6 months ago
    Quoted from jj44114:

    The trademarks, patents, etc. need to be renewed every 10-20 years or so, or they will lapse. They may have not been renewed at all.

    Patents and copyrights are very different. I think copyright's are good for 100 years. Most patents are 20 years with some ability to extend.

    #57 6 months ago
    Quoted from Eric_S:

    Most patents are 20 years with some ability to extend.

    20 years is the maximum. There are no extensions.

    However, what patent holders tend to do is take the patent, add or alter something, then patent that "new" thing with the addition/alteration. Drug companies use that technique all the time.

    #58 6 months ago
    Quoted from vid1900:

    The law changed in ~1979, prior to that, if you did not put a copyright notice in writing on the work, it was unprotected.

    Quoted from stangbat:

    This is true now, but it wasn't always the case. For stuff prior to 1978 it gets murky and complicated.

    Good points, but Seawitch, the playfield in question here, is from 1980. So not an issue.

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    #59 6 months ago

    I was emailed here, & I will not post his further legal threats. Also I did not ask for it to be removed (moderated & another threat of legal). All I can say is show me some legal proof of your agreement.

    My production continues with Star Gazer, & Seawitch playfields. Same with glass titles: Seawitch, Star Gazer, Lightning, Nineball, Catacomb, & Iron Maiden.

    I see no official news posted about a Gary Stern & Mirco Playfields exclusive agreement towards Classic Stern Pinball (Stern Electronics).
    Also have not heard about any other producer being contacted like myself.

    Below 2 Star Gazer playfields worked on today. The cnc shop has playfields cutting 4 Seawitch, & 16 Star Gazer.

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    #60 6 months ago

    I did call Mike at CPR this morning before going to my workshop. Here is Kevin response:

    And this. This blew me away today. Had John Greatwich phone Mike today, seeing if we knew anything. We never got your email "C&D thing", oddly enough. Hmmm. Although, for the record (and everybody reading) - this isn't the first time Mirco has PM'd threats of "suing". Not veiled. Outright. To us. Yes.
    Where all this bravado & gusto is calculated to be beneficial or positive for the hobby, I have no idea. I simply don't understand the state of mind. Think about that for a minute. Micro is a VERY smart guy. How he comes to these attitudes and decisions... Jeckyl and Hyde or something... not good.
    I have spoken behind the scenes to many people today, and I found out exactly the gist of what John Greatwich was told by Mirco. I realize that a copy (or dictation) of the PM is not allowed. So I hope admins will allow my brief synopsis as it was told to me... these are MY WORDS. Not a PM, or even close to a PM. If this DOES need to be removed, then so be it.
    " Hey John this is Mirco. I have been given legal rights by Gary at Stern to make all parts for classic Stern. This includes... all playfield, backglasses and parts. You must stop production immediately. Unless you have a paper from Gary at Stern show me the paper or you will get sued. Don't think that just because you are out of my country and I am in Germany that I can't sue you, think again. Please stop all productions unless you want to get sued" or something to that effect.
    THIS IS THE LAST I'M GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS (Hell, this is my Sorcerer thread!):
    I personally spoke to Gary Stern a few hours ago.
    He WAS contacted by Mirco asking about doing a classic Stern project, and some mild discussion of royalties, how it works, etc. Gary gave him permission to proceed, and future details of paying royalties to Gary and his wife would be put in play. Gary acknowledges that Stern Electronics Inc is defunct, but the IP fell to him and his wife (wife because part of divorce settlement). He realises he hasn't cared nor policed IP for the old Stern Electronics stuff at all. He's got bigger fish to fry. He even recalls our 2005 meeting in his office, when we started - he gave us carte blanche to touch on any of the old Stern games if we wanted... he didn't care. Today in 2019, he does acknowledge that the hobby had significantly grown and changed - and him and his wife ARE looking at exploring their options for setting up some kind of interface with the makers out here. But this is a new thing for them. They are very busy.
    Gary invited CPR to email him a list of all current Stern Electronics repro projects we still have interests in, plus any future plans. There is NO EXCLUSIVITY, and he has no problem (he is half the decision, with his wife) seeing the stuff getting made - wherever and whoever does it. But the time is coming where we need to sit down and discuss some royalty on the IP. He chuckled at the Mirco story... even said George Gomez got a call about the same thing today.

    I also reached out to Marc at Marco Specialties since they are restocking my Seawitch, Star Gazer, & Nineball backglass. I wish Mirco Playfields would provide proof of their agreement with Gary Stern (his ex wife), etc. Not have to figure it out here with legal threats! If old Stern is looking for licensing of classic product please contact me.

    #61 6 months ago

    Wow. What a winner...

    #62 6 months ago

    We have to be careful about how we approach any appeasement, or a company can take licensing territory that has never historically belonged to them.

    The last thing this hobby needs is a friggin pinball holocaust.

    All the pinball part manufacturers are going to need to join together as allies against this threat.

    #63 6 months ago

    Funny thing is Mirco probably had never even seen or played a classic stern until people asked him to do quicksilver a few weeks back. Now he thinks he gets to corner the market for classic stern repro's by making a few phone calls? What an asshole.
    Keep up the good work John, your a great guy and a fantastic asset to this community.

    #64 6 months ago

    Stay classy mirco

    #65 6 months ago

    I just emailed Stern Corporate to pass along to Gary Stern. My parts production info for years for Classic Stern.

    #66 6 months ago

    Let me know if you ever do a Stern Pinball backglass. I have an EM that's missing one and some plastics.

    #67 6 months ago

    I am ALL for anyone who can make these playfields faster than than current situation.
    Going on what, 5 years now? That is ridiculous.
    Don't promise what you can't deliver in real time.

    #68 6 months ago

    I swear Stern posted on instagram last year that they had the ability to “vault” any game all the way back to the original incarnation of Stern Electronics but I just spent 20 min trying to find that post with no luck.

    #69 6 months ago

    Pinball parts production is hard! I am not a robot. Glass production over the years has been quick. Seawitch playfields should be finished over the next 1 -5 months. The bulk will be new orders of Seawitch & Star Gazer playfields. Standby maybe Seawitch by Mirco, CPR, & myself. Never Say Never. Same as my Stern backglass by many vendors.

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    #70 6 months ago

    Mirco has definitely lost a customer in me with bullying in this close-knit community. Keep on rocking John!

    #71 6 months ago
    Quoted from Jjsmooth:

    I am ALL for anyone who can make these playfields faster than than current situation.
    Going on what, 5 years now? That is ridiculous.
    Don't promise what you can't deliver in real time.

    You should think about chilling out a little bit. One man, all alone, and one his own, has made it possible for me to be building a Star Gazer. I got a play field. And a back glass. From one man. It is a hell of a lot more than I would have ever been able to do.

    Since I have been around, John has been forthright about his progress, or lack thereof, and he has offered to give money back to everybody who made a deposit. If you did not get your money back, that is your fault. If you did get your money back then you have no skin in the game.

    So, just roll on with it. It is not the end of the world. Nobody has died. Just relax.

    #72 6 months ago

    Should be a interesting Friday. Maybe I get a email from a lawyer. Or someone figures out they should of showed some proof of a monopoly. Quick to have their pm threats removed from here along with what it said. We will see how silent the person remains, or not. Maybe the lawyer will clue the person in about threats with out showing any proof. Gary Stern has been emailed by me, & likely others are asking what is up.

    #73 6 months ago

    What Stern playfields have been repro'd to date?

    Star Gazer
    Sea Witch
    Flight 2000

    any others that I'm not aware of?

    #74 6 months ago

    Star Gazer production 78 sold, & Seawitch 5 production tests by me. Those numbers are about to go up this year by me. CPR can publish their numbers if they wish.

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    #75 6 months ago

    I will NOT be buying ANYTHING Mirco anymore. You act like a jerk, you lose customers. Plain and simple. I urge the rest of those viewing this thread to do the same. This is how you deal with this crap.

    #76 6 months ago

    Way to go Mirco. Not only do you attempt to shut down a one man show who is an asset to the hobby but also totally screw over all of John's prepaid customers who have patiently stood with him for years. I suspect this attempt to grab a tiny corner of a niche market just cost you more sales than you tried to shut down. I certainly am no longer inclined to buy Mirco products.

    #77 6 months ago

    Christ! It's Wayno all over again!!

    #78 6 months ago

    I hope pinheads keep this thread bookmarked and remind folks in the coming years what Mirco is trying to do to the pinball hobby. Not cool.

    #79 6 months ago

    Sounds like a classic bluff.

    #80 6 months ago

    Well this situation just helped me decide which Sorcerer playfield to buy. Not supporting bad actions with my money.

    #81 6 months ago

    surprised mr tough guy Mirco has not responded with anymore BS.

    Are there any laws against using the tactics he is if it turns out he is lying and does not have the exclusive rights?

    May be worth looking in to and taking some actions on?

    #82 6 months ago

    Rather than piling on, it probably makes more sense to wait for more information.

    Also, people do make mistakes - and giving them an opportunity to walk them back is important.

    #83 6 months ago

    If this was a Cease & Desist letter, I'd say not worth the paper its printed on. This isn't a C & D. This was a Pinside PM.

    #84 6 months ago
    Quoted from frolic:

    I'd say not worth the paper its printed on.

    Which is really something, considering it was sent electronically.

    #85 6 months ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    I did call Mike at CPR this morning before going to my workshop. Here is Kevin response:
    And this. This blew me away today. Had John Greatwich phone Mike today, seeing if we knew anything. We never got your email "C&D thing", oddly enough. Hmmm. Although, for the record (and everybody reading) - this isn't the first time Mirco has PM'd threats of "suing". Not veiled. Outright. To us. Yes.
    Where all this bravado & gusto is calculated to be beneficial or positive for the hobby, I have no idea. I simply don't understand the state of mind. Think about that for a minute. Micro is a VERY smart guy. How he comes to these attitudes and decisions... Jeckyl and Hyde or something... not good.
    I have spoken behind the scenes to many people today, and I found out exactly the gist of what John Greatwich was told by Mirco. I realize that a copy (or dictation) of the PM is not allowed. So I hope admins will allow my brief synopsis as it was told to me... these are MY WORDS. Not a PM, or even close to a PM. If this DOES need to be removed, then so be it.
    " Hey John this is Mirco. I have been given legal rights by Gary at Stern to make all parts for classic Stern. This includes... all playfield, backglasses and parts. You must stop production immediately. Unless you have a paper from Gary at Stern show me the paper or you will get sued. Don't think that just because you are out of my country and I am in Germany that I can't sue you, think again. Please stop all productions unless you want to get sued" or something to that effect.
    THIS IS THE LAST I'M GOING TO COMMENT ON THIS (Hell, this is my Sorcerer thread!):
    I personally spoke to Gary Stern a few hours ago.
    He WAS contacted by Mirco asking about doing a classic Stern project, and some mild discussion of royalties, how it works, etc. Gary gave him permission to proceed, and future details of paying royalties to Gary and his wife would be put in play. Gary acknowledges that Stern Electronics Inc is defunct, but the IP fell to him and his wife (wife because part of divorce settlement). He realises he hasn't cared nor policed IP for the old Stern Electronics stuff at all. He's got bigger fish to fry. He even recalls our 2005 meeting in his office, when we started - he gave us carte blanche to touch on any of the old Stern games if we wanted... he didn't care. Today in 2019, he does acknowledge that the hobby had significantly grown and changed - and him and his wife ARE looking at exploring their options for setting up some kind of interface with the makers out here. But this is a new thing for them. They are very busy.
    Gary invited CPR to email him a list of all current Stern Electronics repro projects we still have interests in, plus any future plans. There is NO EXCLUSIVITY, and he has no problem (he is half the decision, with his wife) seeing the stuff getting made - wherever and whoever does it. But the time is coming where we need to sit down and discuss some royalty on the IP. He chuckled at the Mirco story... even said George Gomez got a call about the same thing today.
    I also reached out to Marc at Marco Specialties since they are restocking my Seawitch, Star Gazer, & Nineball backglass. I wish Mirco Playfields would provide proof of their agreement with Gary Stern (his ex wife), etc. Not have to figure it out here with legal threats! If old Stern is looking for licensing of classic product please contact me.

    Let me state a Fact, a Licensee Can't send C&D without the consent of the Licensor, nor can they take legal action against someone making copyright items that they don't own the Copyrights too without an assignment.

    I would wait for a C&D or letter from Gary Stern or whoever the Rights are owned by now.

    Mirco is just trying to protect any investment he has made in a License agreement with the rights owners.

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    #86 6 months ago

    No more word this morning from Mirco or his lawyer. He wanted me to shut down my Classic Stern parts on Thursday. Post here & remove all my parts I have for sale in the world. I am off to pick up more cut playfields for Star Gazer, & Seawitch. Waiting for more tempered glass blanks mid month for more glass production.

    #87 6 months ago
    Quoted from greatwichjohn:

    No more word this morning from Mirco or his lawyer. He wanted me to shut down my Classic Stern parts on Thursday. Post here & remove all my parts I have for sale in the world. I am off to pick up more cut playfields for Star Gazer, & Seawitch. Waiting for more tempered glass blanks mid month for more glass production.

    Awsome really looking forward to my stargazer playfield and backglass later this month!!

    -70
    #88 6 months ago

    Hi All,

    my apologies for any trouble I have caused. It was not my intention to start something like this and to be honest I did not know much about John's background before. Of course I'm not interested that someone looses their money, for example the prepayments which were made. I think there are enough people out there who are harmed by lost prepayments...

    Nevertheless it is not ok to produce parts with violationg copyrights. We have seen that on cabinet art before as well. I think it is easy to understand that I'm interested to have equal start positions for anybody. I try to do it right and get permission and pay royalties per item. If a 3rd party is involved I get their permission as well as any upcoming lawsuit would get really expensive. I would not want to see Disney or Universal for example showing up and fight for their royalty. As a company it is your turn to make sure you do it right.

    Any lawyer cost extra money. In my opinion this is not the best option, especially for small businesses. Thatwhy I reached out direct without using any lawyer right away.

    No matter what happened it is not allowed to publish any private massages without permission.

    Aynway I will not take any action right now and let it go.

    Regarding any double effort for some playfields - I'm open for any suggestions, Kevin has my contact info - we can talk and see how we might come together...

    Regards,
    Mirco

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    #89 6 months ago

    Your intention was to use fear and intimidation, I’m glad John published the PM as it shows exactly the person you are. Shameful!

    #90 6 months ago
    Quoted from Highclasspinball:

    Hi All,
    my apologies for any trouble I have caused. It was not my intention to start something like this and to be honest I did not know much about John's background before. Of course I'm not interested that someone looses their money, for example the prepayments which were made. I think there are enough people out there who are harmed by lost prepayments...
    Nevertheless it is not ok to produce parts with violationg copyrights. We have seen that on cabinet art before as well. I think it is easy to understand that I'm interested to have equal start positions for anybody. I try to do it right and get permission and pay royalties per item. If a 3rd party is involved I get their permission as well as any upcoming lawsuit would get really expensive. I would not want to see Disney or Universal for example showing up and fight for their royalty. As a company it is your turn to make sure you do it right.
    Any lawyer cost extra money. In my opinion this is not the best option, especially for small businesses. Thatwhy I reached out direct without using any lawyer right away.
    No matter what happened it is not allowed to publish any private massages without permission.
    Aynway I will not take any action right now and let it go.
    Regarding any double effort for some playfields - I'm open for any suggestions, Kevin has my contact info - we can talk and see how we might come together...
    Regards,
    Mirco

    Mirco,
    you haven't proven to anyone that you have the license to manufacture Stern Electronics parts, let alone that you have the exclusive rights to do so. I am encouraging you to add a picture of the contract that you received from the owner(s) of the rights to Stern Electronics products, showing that you have the exclusive rights to reproduce these products. Thanks in advance.

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    #91 6 months ago

    So basically Mirco is talking out his ass, and got caught at it. Totally shameful.

    #92 6 months ago
    Quoted from bluespin:

    Mirco,
    you haven't proven to anyone that you have the license to manufacture Stern Electronics parts, let alone that you have the exclusive rights to do so. I am encouraging you to add a picture of the contract that you received from the owner(s) of the rights to Stern Electronics products, showing that you have the exclusive rights to reproduce these products. Thanks in advance.

    You won't see anything. Just words and threats.

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    #93 6 months ago

    Big error in judgement.

    Don’t know much about Mirco, but dropping the keyboard and communicating directly might be a good idea.

    #94 6 months ago

    I got to this thread too late as it had already been censored, maybe someone can post the original PMs to Facebook or KLOV etc

    #95 6 months ago
    Quoted from Highclasspinball:

    Hi All,
    my apologies for any trouble I have caused. It was not my intention to start something like this and to be honest I did not know much about John's background before. Of course I'm not interested that someone looses their money, for example the prepayments which were made. I think there are enough people out there who are harmed by lost prepayments...
    Nevertheless it is not ok to produce parts with violationg copyrights. We have seen that on cabinet art before as well. I think it is easy to understand that I'm interested to have equal start positions for anybody. I try to do it right and get permission and pay royalties per item. If a 3rd party is involved I get their permission as well as any upcoming lawsuit would get really expensive. I would not want to see Disney or Universal for example showing up and fight for their royalty. As a company it is your turn to make sure you do it right.
    Any lawyer cost extra money. In my opinion this is not the best option, especially for small businesses. Thatwhy I reached out direct without using any lawyer right away.
    No matter what happened it is not allowed to publish any private massages without permission.
    Aynway I will not take any action right now and let it go.
    Regarding any double effort for some playfields - I'm open for any suggestions, Kevin has my contact info - we can talk and see how we might come together...
    Regards,
    Mirco

    What action can you take? Ok, other than sending an email or PM?

    #96 6 months ago
    Quoted from Highclasspinball:

    Hi All,
    my apologies for any trouble I have caused. It was not my intention to start something like this and to be honest I did not know much about John's background before. Of course I'm not interested that someone looses their money, for example the prepayments which were made. I think there are enough people out there who are harmed by lost prepayments...
    Nevertheless it is not ok to produce parts with violationg copyrights. We have seen that on cabinet art before as well. I think it is easy to understand that I'm interested to have equal start positions for anybody. I try to do it right and get permission and pay royalties per item. If a 3rd party is involved I get their permission as well as any upcoming lawsuit would get really expensive. I would not want to see Disney or Universal for example showing up and fight for their royalty. As a company it is your turn to make sure you do it right.
    Any lawyer cost extra money. In my opinion this is not the best option, especially for small businesses. Thatwhy I reached out direct without using any lawyer right away.
    No matter what happened it is not allowed to publish any private massages without permission.
    Aynway I will not take any action right now and let it go.
    Regarding any double effort for some playfields - I'm open for any suggestions, Kevin has my contact info - we can talk and see how we might come together...
    Regards,
    Mirco

    So you have no exclusive agreement with Stern. Got it.

    #97 6 months ago
    Quoted from Highclasspinball:

    Hi All,
    my apologies for any trouble I have caused. It was not my intention to start something like this and to be honest I did not know much about John's background before. Of course I'm not interested that someone looses their money, for example the prepayments which were made. I think there are enough people out there who are harmed by lost prepayments...
    Nevertheless it is not ok to produce parts with violationg copyrights. We have seen that on cabinet art before as well. I think it is easy to understand that I'm interested to have equal start positions for anybody. I try to do it right and get permission and pay royalties per item. If a 3rd party is involved I get their permission as well as any upcoming lawsuit would get really expensive. I would not want to see Disney or Universal for example showing up and fight for their royalty. As a company it is your turn to make sure you do it right.
    Any lawyer cost extra money. In my opinion this is not the best option, especially for small businesses. Thatwhy I reached out direct without using any lawyer right away.
    No matter what happened it is not allowed to publish any private massages without permission.
    Aynway I will not take any action right now and let it go.
    Regarding any double effort for some playfields - I'm open for any suggestions, Kevin has my contact info - we can talk and see how we might come together...
    Regards,
    Mirco

    POST THE CONTRACT showing you have exclusive rights to all Stern Electronics stuff! Anything less and you are just digging a deeper hole.

    At this point, you need to prove that right now you have that contract executed and your words are enforceable. It is the only thing that is going to help you in the public eye (and that will be minimal)

    #98 6 months ago

    Mirco, as the writer, you are free to post your PMs to this thread.

    That may help in getting you removed from my (and others) "do not do business with" list.

    Or it may enforce it.

    #99 6 months ago
    Quoted from Highclasspinball:

    Hi All,
    my apologies for any trouble I have caused. It was not my intention to start something like this and to be honest I did not know much about John's background before. Of course I'm not interested that someone looses their money, for example the prepayments which were made. I think there are enough people out there who are harmed by lost prepayments...
    Nevertheless it is not ok to produce parts with violationg copyrights. We have seen that on cabinet art before as well. I think it is easy to understand that I'm interested to have equal start positions for anybody. I try to do it right and get permission and pay royalties per item. If a 3rd party is involved I get their permission as well as any upcoming lawsuit would get really expensive. I would not want to see Disney or Universal for example showing up and fight for their royalty. As a company it is your turn to make sure you do it right.
    Any lawyer cost extra money. In my opinion this is not the best option, especially for small businesses. Thatwhy I reached out direct without using any lawyer right away.
    No matter what happened it is not allowed to publish any private massages without permission.
    Aynway I will not take any action right now and let it go.
    Regarding any double effort for some playfields - I'm open for any suggestions, Kevin has my contact info - we can talk and see how we might come together...
    Regards,
    Mirco

    Once again, you have done nothing to indicate you have any right, never mind exclusive rights. And you're too cheap to hire an attorney. That's all your post proves.

    #100 6 months ago

    Keep going John, nothing to see here.

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