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Meteor Club - "We will let you know when the danger is past"


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#1251 1 year ago

I don’t own a Meteor pinball machine yet, but I have a damn good topper here. Just have to buy a pin to go with my meteorite...

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#1252 1 year ago
Quoted from jonesjb:

I don’t own a Meteor pinball machine yet, but I have a damn good topper here. Just have to buy a pin to go with my meteorite...[quoted image]

awesome!

#1253 1 year ago

I'm still fighting my damn drop targets. I rebuilt the bank with my new targets and then screwed up the E, E and O leafs. They'll register if I press the back with my finger but not naturally with the target itself. I just can't seem to get those leafs right. B l a h.

I did scoop a CPR glass for $190 though! Excited for that to get here. Maybe it'll motivate me to work out the kinks on the drops so I can play again...

#1254 1 year ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

I'm still fighting my damn drop targets. I rebuilt the bank with my new targets and then screwed up the E, E and O leafs. They'll register if I press the back with my finger but not naturally with the target itself. I just can't seem to get those leafs right. B l a h.
I did scoop a CPR glass for $190 though! Excited for that to get here. Maybe it'll motivate me to work out the kinks on the drops so I can play again...

The good thing with that bank is that it's easy to remove from the playfield to work on it. I would first clean the switch contacts with rubbing alcohol. Remove them from the back plate and bend them to give more tension on the leaves. Maybe the reset bar is not dropping enough to allow the links to drop far enough to let the fingers lift/activate the switches?

#1255 1 year ago

I was able to work on and test the whole assembly on the bench. Just used a variable bench supply to work the coils.

#1256 1 year ago
Quoted from Lovef2k:

The good thing with that bank is that it's easy to remove from the playfield to work on it. I would first clean the switch contacts with rubbing alcohol. Remove them from the back plate and bend them to give more tension on the leaves. Maybe the reset bar is not dropping enough to allow the links to drop far enough to let the fingers lift/activate the switches?

Not sure really. I noticed the M is the only one that really drops in the exact perfect spot. Seems all the others drop TOO far which can prevent a target from registering the full press.

I'll get back to it. Hauling my new world cup 94 home now, then hauling Af-Tor up (sold) and possibly dragging black Knight 2000 up as well. Would like to be dragging a space shuttle down shortly thereafter

#1257 1 year ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

Not sure really. I noticed the M is the only one that really drops in the exact perfect spot. Seems all the others drop TOO far which can prevent a target from registering the full press.
I'll get back to it. Hauling my new world cup 94 home now, then hauling Af-Tor up (sold) and possibly dragging black Knight 2000 up as well. Would like to be dragging a space shuttle down shortly thereafter

That's a lot of moving around lol. You may have noticed that the Stern drop target banks of this era were cheaply made. Inferior metal I guess. The target link are usually egged out around the holes that ride on the shafts. This could cause some issues if they are really bad in your case. Even the shafts get grooves from the links moving around creating even more slop. But I never seen any of them bad enough to cause the switches not to activate.

I was talking with Marc Mandeltort of Marco Spec about the bad Stern parts. He said he would be willing to reproduce some of these parts. All he asks is for the part numbers. He does all of his parts in stainless steel. I think it's time to get this ball rolling!

#1258 1 year ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

Should be fine. I’m using a backglass with red film from the factory.

Can you post a pic of what this looks like please?

#1260 1 year ago

Thanks but wanted to see it powered up

Did some games come like this from the factory?

#1261 1 year ago
Quoted from Lovef2k:

That's a lot of moving around lol. You may have noticed that the Stern drop target banks of this era were cheaply made. Inferior metal I guess. The target link are usually egged out around the holes that ride on the shafts. This could cause some issues if they are really bad in your case. Even the shafts get grooves from the links moving around creating even more slop. But I never seen any of them bad enough to cause the switches not to activate.
I was talking with Marc Mandeltort of Marco Spec about the bad Stern parts. He said he would be willing to reproduce some of these parts. All he asks is for the part numbers. He does all of his parts in stainless steel. I think it's time to get this ball rolling!

The whole bank worked perfectly with regard to registering hits before I took it apart again and replaced the targets and springs themselves. At this point I'm thinking two things are happening:

1) something isn't quite right with reassembly
2) I've bent the leafs waaaaay out of wack

I might just replace the problem leafs and go from there. I'm not good at all with leaf adjustment so bringing these back, adjusting from under the PF, is probably going to be exceedingly difficult for me. Doh.

#1262 1 year ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

Thanks but wanted to see it powered up
Did some games come like this from the factory?

Yes, some were done this way from factory much like gottlieb did blue for alot of theirs and green for HH. I just received my red theater gel material to do this to mine.

#1263 1 year ago
Quoted from NeilMcRae:

Thanks but wanted to see it powered up
Did some games come like this from the factory?

It's a mystery to me what the red score backglasses were for. One thing to note is the red version does not have the HSTD window for the lamp behind it. From IPDB, Meteor was also assembled in Australia, could be the source of the red glass? There were also knock down games made, 423 of them so maybe the red glass was from those? I have noticed that some export games, Bally and Stern had different backglasses than the US versions. Kiss for example.

I have a NOS red version that has some minor art separation in the center, I have not installed it in the game to see what it looks like.

#1264 1 year ago

Back in business! Finally got that damn drop target bank working fairly well with the new targets and springs. Probably still a little bit of fine adjustment to go on a couple of the leafs. But the glass is finally back on and I can play again!

New BG from CPR arrives tomorrow (still need to order the trim for it) and I need to actually install the comet LED adapter board properly so my controlled lights work properly. But, getting there...
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#1265 1 year ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

Back in business! Finally got that damn drop target bank working fairly well with the new targets and springs. Probably still a little bit of fine adjustment to go on a couple of the leafs. But the glass is finally back on and I can play again!
New BG from CPR arrives tomorrow (still need to order the trim for it) and I need to actually install the comet LED adapter board properly so my controlled lights work properly. But, getting there...
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Congrats! Glad you got it working again. That's a great-looking game you got there! Looks like CPR has a couple different colored Meteor backglasses to choose from, which one did you choose?

#1266 1 year ago

I won an auction for the 'blue' version. Usually the auctions are for misprints and what not but the one I won just had a couple of scratches on the outside. Paid $196.50 shipped for it which I figured was okay. Better than the glass I have on it now.

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#1267 1 year ago

Oooo

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#1268 1 year ago

Yikes.

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#1269 1 year ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

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So which one is which?

#1270 1 year ago

Original backglass is the one that looks washed out AF. Colors look just fine in natural lighting, though. I dunno.

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#1271 1 year ago

NM

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#1272 1 year ago

Got an issue on mine that is the last thing on the list since I finally got the METEOR drop bank working as intended. The last issue is that my right slingshot is firing on its own and scoring even though I have placed paper between the switch contacts. It was doing it and I figured must be getting a switch closure on a vibration, but after digging into it and doing the paper test, it isn't that. It will fire on its own when other things are firing. Either flipper can cause it, drop banks, pop bumper, but not consistently. I recall reading that bally/stern games could have issues like this due to interference. Could this be what's going on? I can try shielding the wiring.

Thanks for any info.

#1273 1 year ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

Got an issue on mine that is the last thing on the list since I finally got the METEOR drop bank working as intended. The last issue is that my right slingshot is firing on its own and scoring even though I have placed paper between the switch contacts. It was doing it and I figured must be getting a switch closure on a vibration, but after digging into it and doing the paper test, it isn't that. It will fire on its own when other things are firing. Either flipper can cause it, drop banks, pop bumper, but not consistently. I recall reading that bally/stern games could have issues like this due to interference. Could this be what's going on? I can try shielding the wiring.
Thanks for any info.

If the sling is awarding points then there must be switch closure somewhere. Most likely a vibration issue or the switch stacks are creating a short. Did you try tapping on the PF near the sling shot? If it has a capacitor, clip it as they are not really needed for sling shots.

The following may be your issue or not but it's interesting as many Bally Stern games do this:

Search "phantom sling shot fire" in the above search box. 3 threads should come up about this.

My F2K does the same thing, upper left sling fires whenever it wants to. I never took notice if it scores or not. It's not set up for play at this time. Keep in mind that I completely restored this game top to bottom and the phantom firing started after the restore. I haven't tried to fix this yet, but I think it may be EMF that is firing the sling. Maybe the newer manufacturing of the caps and diodes are inferior from the days of old? Who knows! I'm thinking of changing the caps from ceramic to tantelum (spelling?) or mylar. Perhaps they are better insulated?

#1274 1 year ago

Oh, also look for any solder droplets on the switch from any previous work.

#1275 1 year ago
Quoted from Lovef2k:

Oh, also look for any solder droplets on the switch from any previous work.

I'll double check all that tonight. I can't recall if it scored while I had the paper in between the contacts or not, but when I didn't have anything between, I assumed the scoring was happening on a rebound after a phantom fire.

#1276 1 year ago

My Meteor is suddenly handing out free balls like they're going out of style. I can't seem to figure out what's triggering it. It's pure insanity.

#1277 1 year ago

You probably have low scoring thresholds for specials, and specials set to extra ball. Getting all the rockets lined up and hitting wow is a lot harder than you would think. Reference the manual on ipdb for settings.

#1278 1 year ago

What's weird is none of that has been touched and it's suddenly acting this way. Doh.

#1279 1 year ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

What's weird is none of that has been touched and it's suddenly acting this way. Doh.

Could just be a weird occurrence of WOWs meeting up, but it could also be a dipswitch getting flakey.

#1280 1 year ago
Quoted from KSUWildcatFan:

My Meteor is suddenly handing out free balls like they're going out of style. I can't seem to figure out what's triggering it. It's pure insanity.

Trough switch issue?

#1281 1 year ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

I'll double check all that tonight. I can't recall if it scored while I had the paper in between the contacts or not, but when I didn't have anything between, I assumed the scoring was happening on a rebound after a phantom fire.

So, I bent my switches far enough out that I know they can touch with a vibration. Smacked on the PF in test and no switches registered. Right sling is 15. Rapidly firing the flippers in game will cause the right sling to fire and it is NOT scoring now that I bent the contacts so far apart they cannot touch on a vibration. Tried some of the suggestions in that long thread about these phantom firing issues, but no dice. Removed the tilt ball and put a ferrite core around the right sling switch wires with no change. That thread found that separated the switch, lamp and power lines into separate looms did the trick. I'll tackle that at a later time, but at least there seems to be a real world and not too difficult fix.

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#1282 1 year ago

Phantom sling fires are still happening after separating the lamp/switch/power wiring from the backbox to where it enters the playfield. It's not really practical to go further down the harness. I mean they routed stuff so it wouldn't interfere with mechs, etc. Grrr.

#1283 1 year ago

Another issue that I'm noticing is the High Score To Date light is blinking in game during coil firings and during bonus count. I didn't notice it before. I've been focused on this sling issue and my "T" target not staying up. Not sure if it is new since I separated the harness or not. Sound issues all fixed thanks to the bug fix rom image from Weebly. Played several games and the random sling fire are less now. Would love to get this dang thing 100%.

#1284 1 year ago

You may have a bad PIA.

Get Leon's Test ROM and see if everything works as expected. Or, if you can't get a copy of the ROMs, try changing out both PIAs.

#1285 1 year ago
Quoted from Coyote:

You may have a bad PIA.
Get Leon's Test ROM and see if everything works as expected. Or, if you can't get a copy of the ROMs, try changing out both PIAs.

This is a new (purchased last year before he offered user configuration) weebly mpu. Game was pretty much sitting til I got a chance to dig into it this summer. I assume PIAs could be bad even if new. I can move my Alltek board over and set it for Meteor and check status. How would a test rom work on the weebly, by chance?

#1287 1 year ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

This is a new (purchased last year before he offered user configuration) weebly mpu. Game was pretty much sitting til I got a chance to dig into it this summer. I assume PIAs could be bad even if new. I can move my Alltek board over and set it for Meteor and check status. How would a test rom work on the weebly, by chance?

Oh, I missed that fact!
How the ROM would work, no idea off hand unfrotuanely. And while PIAs COULD go bad, it's less likely of a thing.

Try disconnecting your sound board, and see if issues clear up or not.

#1288 1 year ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Oh, I missed that fact!
How the ROM would work, no idea off hand unfrotuanely. And while PIAs COULD go bad, it's less likely of a thing.
Try disconnecting your sound board, and see if issues clear up or not.

I'll give that a try. It is also a new replacement from weebly, though and new cables from him also. Rectifier is new also. SDB and LDB are original. GI is Comet LEDs and controlled lighting is incandescent for now, if that helps also.

#1289 1 year ago

Ok, I got around to trying this with the sound cable unplugged. No change. Had a single random sling fire and the high score to date light would flicker during flipper activations etc. While I was in the backbox I realized the mpu was not fully seated to the mounting point at the top right. Tightened that screw and played a couple games. Didn't notice either issue during those games. Gonna have some friends put it through it's paces and watch as an onlooker to verify later. Fingers crossed that helped. Here's a quick pic of the Meteor drops that are now working reliably
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#1290 1 year ago

Well scratch that. High score to date light if still acting up. When random could fire and during bonus count. Damn.

#1291 1 year ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

Well scratch that. High score to date light if still acting up. When random could fire and during bonus count. Damn.

Look in the backbox for square 6 or 9 pin molex connectors. There are a couple of them and they have identical pinouts. I bet yours are crossed, it causes this behavior. Verify by checking the wire colors.

#1292 1 year ago
Quoted from dothedoo:

Look in the backbox for square 6 or 9 pin molex connectors. There are a couple of them and they have identical pinouts. I bet yours are crossed, it causes this behavior. Verify by checking the wire colors.

Just checked real quick. Mine are plugged in correctly. Thanks for the tip, though.

#1293 12 months ago

Driving me nuts. Game is plenty playable, but these little gremlins are getting to me.

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#1294 11 months ago
Quoted from Coyote:

Oh, I missed that fact!
How the ROM would work, no idea off hand unfrotuanely. And while PIAs COULD go bad, it's less likely of a thing.
Try disconnecting your sound board, and see if issues clear up or not.

Coyote
I wanted to clarify this test with you. I disconnected the ribbon cable (its new), not the power connectors on the bottom. Were you meaning power? I can retest if so. The random sling issue has gotten fairly rare. Happens every 5 or games. The HSTD light issue happens all the time. Hit a METEOR drop, it flickers, sling fires, it flickers, hit the dead bumpers, it flickers. Pop bumper, surprisingly does not make it flicker. GAAHHHHH!

#1295 11 months ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

Coyote
I wanted to clarify this test with you. I disconnected the ribbon cable (its new), not the power connectors on the bottom. Were you meaning power? I can retest if so. The random sling issue has gotten fairly rare. Happens every 5 or games. The HSTD light issue happens all the time. Hit a METEOR drop, it flickers, sling fires, it flickers, hit the dead bumpers, it flickers. Pop bumper, surprisingly does not make it flicker. GAAHHHHH!

That's what I meant, yuppers. Disconnecting the power plugs would kind of do the same thing, but leave the (dead) board connected to the circuit and could cause other issues. With the ribbon cable disconnected, you're removing it from the address/data lines altogether, so it's a better test.

Another thing I would check is your +5v. Maybe it has a LOT of AC ripple which is causing issues? Or a bad cap on the MPU? (I don't remember if you mentioned replacing the MPU and still getting the issue or not, sorry!)

#1296 11 months ago
Quoted from Coyote:

That's what I meant, yuppers. Disconnecting the power plugs would kind of do the same thing, but leave the (dead) board connected to the circuit and could cause other issues. With the ribbon cable disconnected, you're removing it from the address/data lines altogether, so it's a better test.
Another thing I would check is your +5v. Maybe it has a LOT of AC ripple which is causing issues? Or a bad cap on the MPU? (I don't remember if you mentioned replacing the MPU and still getting the issue or not, sorry!)

MPU is new. Rectifier and sound board are also new. SDB is original, but I was going to replace the caps here soon. I'll test the voltages here in a bit. Vacation day

#1297 11 months ago
Quoted from treborlicec:

MPU is new. Rectifier and sound board are also new. SDB is original, but I was going to replace the caps here soon. I'll test the voltages here in a bit. Vacation day

Voltages are good and no AC making it through to the 5VDC. Didn't notice before, but looks like a previous owner changed the caps on my SDB.

#1298 11 months ago

Can anyone direct me to a web site that has a 6 bank drop target assembly to replace mine??? I've already tried Marco,BAA.and PBL.!! PBL has a 3 bank and a 4 bank ,but not 6!! Is it possible to put in 2.3bank targets and wire them together??Thanks!!!!

#1299 11 months ago
Quoted from hawkmoon:

Can anyone direct me to a web site that has a 6 bank drop target assembly to replace mine??? I've already tried Marco,BAA.and PBL.!! PBL has a 3 bank and a 4 bank ,but not 6!! Is it possible to put in 2.3bank targets and wire them together??Thanks!!!!

No bank available now is going to be compatible. I don't know of any other machines in decades that have a 6 bank of memory drops. Best bet is to fix yours

#1300 11 months ago

hawkmoon I'm pretty sure I have that mech in my parts bin if you need one

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