I agree that both of these Pro models are a good value in today's market. Compared to all of the other machines available or becoming available, the Pro models have become a good bang for the buck value in the new pin market. $4K and change vs. $7K to $9K. The other machines are 2x as good (LE's included)?

Even compared to the used market, these machines give a good run for the money given the run up in used market prices. Sure, there are "B" pins available for $2K (and less depending on vintage) and I've been an owner of a few of those. Those can be a great value. But sticking with the new market, I think Stern's Pro models are positioned very well and are a relative bargain... Conversely, the other pins have just become perversely inflated in price but that's obviously a matter of supply and demand that dictates that. If folks are willing and able to pay for the Lexus even though it's 90% the same as the Toyota, then I'm happy for them.

I got to play them both last week and software aside Metalica looks like the better build quality and has a better look and artwork but they seem about even in the fun category just batting the ball around. ST ramps are very interesting but the LED's in the inserts are more spotty and blinding

Haven't played Stern Star Trek yet but I have a MET pro and I love it. I mean it's still lacking the full experience but it's better than worrying about the hammer lock, or w/e the problem is with the LE/Premium. Star trek (stern) looks nice on the videos and I'm happy to see RGB's on the pros.. It still inflated nonsense but at least the pros are starting to include what's included more or less in the Premiums. No missing lower play field. Stupid Ice ramps and IDK what I missed. Happier with Stern but still think the prices are insane.

Good points, I agree. I believe both pins offer great value. I own a Met Pro refinery edition and have a friend who owns a ST Pro Refinery ed. Both machines are stunning, fast and fun to play. With all the bashing Stern takes for just about everything they don't get enough credit for making the only/best pins for $4,400-4,900.00 to your door NIB, no one else does this. As you stated most other NIB's will run you 7-9 k to your door......OUCH that's a lot. For my 9k I'll take a ST pro and a Met Pro over 1 NIB pin (or maybe even an xmen pro and either one of the others).

So what would you say is the overall better pin, anymore opinions from people? I have a STLE on order but I keep watching Metallica videos and I am starting to second guess. Should I be?

I personally like them both! I have however chosen a Star Trek over Metallica. I just decided I wanted the newest pin on my location.

The thing I cant get outta my head are those MET Metal ramps, so satisfying. Hearing people say ST is buttery smooth though is reassuring.

I think ST is the more fun game even with in completed code. With more MET updates it may make it better, but if had to choose 1 right now, it would be ST.

ST is better. I played Met and it was just meh. I liked AC/DC a lot more then Met.

can you elaborate? Personal preference? The 3rd flipper? Generally speaking? Code? Artwork/theme? Whole package?

Haven't played Star Trek yet but I might this weekend. Just wondering why you think it's better since I haven't played it.

Yes exactly, they are both very fun pins at a great price point. Here is visual proof that these two pins can coexist Refinery style.
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Cool pic Dude. I must say the refinery editions are sweet looking. Just look at what they did for your ST translite. Your pic makes it appear that Kirk is sitting in the backseat.

Hilarious. What are the odds.

Art speaking I don't even compare Met to ST, Met is in another league with DD art. Amazing.

When code will be complete Met will be amongst the best pins out there. We keep bashing over Stern codes, with good reasons, but look at the machines they came out with lately. ST, Met, Avengers (I love it), X-Men, AC/DC and Tron are awesome themes and pins. They really are going the right way. Great times for pinball.

I guess it comes down to personal preference. ST is A LOT faster then Met, and I prefer fast playing games which is probably why I also liked AC/DC better then Met as well. Now on build quality and artwork Met wins for sure, love the metal ramps. I personally found Met too slow for my tastes but maybe it was pitched wrong, I did only play it at a distributors storefront.

MET isn't slow by any means. It has a good mixture of technical and speed. What ruins it for me on metallica are the song choices and integration, and im a metallica fan!

Thanks for that. I hope I didn't come off as if I was questioning you. Just curious. Put that post down on MET hit some orbits and it's lightning.

Anymore opinions from people?

My local arcade just got both and they are side by side I played both last night and IMHO ST by a mile!
For me it's just way more fun!

WHy is that??? Care to elaborate for us?

I would just think a music pin has more longevity

I was recently deciding between these 2 pins and was also considering an ACDC . I went with the Metallica . I like gameplay on all 3 games. I enjoyed playing Star Trek But for me choosing Metallica over Star Trek was easy, simply because of the art I really like the art on Metallica and the fact that they hired an artist to do it . I was very disappointed by the complete lack of any effort on the artwork on Star Trek , The playfield has the worst artwork I have ever seen on any pinball machine of any era . It probably took someone 5 minutes to do in photoshop , Its just a picture of a nebula with some cartoony looking poorly drawn counsel or ship ( can't really tell ) . Star Trek could have been so much better if they would have hired an artist for this pin as well .

I wonder if the plain layout has to do with the Star-field Projector?

Probably , but the pro doesn't have it and if that is the case then it seems that theStar Trek Premium /LE is going to be a way better game than the pro . As for Metallica the pro ( in my opinion) is just as good as Premium/LE.

Do you know who did the art for ST?

What art? The only version that has anything is the LE with drawn picture of the Enterprise . The LE is the only version I would want .
Sorry , to answer your question , No I do not know who did the art . Do you ?

Met is buy no means slow. I strongly disagree.

Be careful what you say here. I got a ban warning from a (edited) moderator for stating this exact opinion. The recent Stern pros are better than their LE or premium counterparts. Better flow, quicker gameplay and 3K less to boot. AC/DC, MET, and it looks like ST are all better in the pro versions. Sorry Tiki, but it snot a case of money. I am not jealous of people who can afford the LE version.

Metallica FTW!!!

Metallica is a better Pro, Xmen is a better Pro, AC/DC umm NO, the LE is better.

Please don't waste our time with code. WTF is FTW? I'm not going to waste my time googling your "code".

For the win. It's an acronym that's been around probably as long as omg and lol. Welcome to the internet...

Lol, if you have to ask don't bother. Kwiki brother you are never wasting our time ; )

I'm also ignorant to what the kids are using these days to represent real words or phrases But I'm going to guess that "FTW" means "For The Win " and then agree with kwiKimart and give him a thumbs up also .

Sorry, but this is the only site I frequent on the internet. It took me forever to figure out OMG and LOL. Internet abbreviations suck and what is obvious to some people is not to others. I say ban abbreviations from pinside. Now go ahead and thumbs me down

Don't ban it, just ignore it, yolo! ;P^^