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Metallica Song Replacement - tips, request locations, suggestions and discussion


By cpsystem3

6 years ago



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#51 5 years ago

I'm thinking about changing "Sad But True" with "Don't Tread On Me" since it plays during Snake MB. I never choose "SBT" to start a game, and I probably wouldn't choose "Tread" either, but it seems appropriate and sounds pretty cool to start a Snake MB.

#52 5 years ago
Quoted from ItsOnlyPinball:

Nice work! I really like the Four Horsemen and Peace Sells that you added. I might have to add So F What and AM I evil? in there as well...

1 week later
#53 5 years ago

do song names change automatically on dot display?

#54 5 years ago
Quoted from prefontaine79:

do song names change automatically on dot display?

No. You have to go in and change all occurrences. There is a handy search feature, but be careful that you are not replacing "One" in Metallica when it actually is the number, not the song.

1 month later
#55 5 years ago

I posted this in the 1.51 update thread, but I thought it was appropriate to post here, as well:

When I was running 1.22, I swapped CD with RTL, and when Sparky mb started, RTL started from the beginning of the song, and it sounded great! I love that RTL is included and the options given for Sparky mb in 1.51, but now RTL starts a few minutes into the song and is mostly a guitar solo. Not thrilled about that....so, here are the changes I made:

Swapped CD with RTL
RTL > Four Horsemen
Unforgiven > Shortest Straw
One > ...And Justice For All
Sad But True > Am I Evil?

- I chose to play only RTL on mb setting, and now it starts from the beginning because it's in the CD request slot.
- Shortest Straw plays for 10 secs after match instead of Unforgiven.
- During Lady Justice mode, ...AJFA comes in during a guitar solo instead of One.
- Am I Evil? plays during Snake mb instead of SBT

If the next update ties songs or album titles to the member modes, then I may need to rethink.

BTW, some of the songs I added were a little too long, and I had to fade out. Sucks, but oh well.

#56 5 years ago

Has anybody tried an instrumental only version? These mp3 player pins get all muddy IMHO because the lyrics of the song get stepped all over by sfx & quotes. If I had a metallica, the first thing I'd want to try is replacing all the songs with instrumental only versions of the same thing (most of which can be found online).

#57 5 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

Has anybody tried an instrumental only version? These mp3 player pins get all muddy IMHO because the lyrics of the song get stepped all over by sfx & quotes. If I had a Metallica, the first thing I'd want to try is replacing all the songs with instrumental only versions of the same thing (most of which can be found online).

I haven't looked, can you really find instrumental versions of all the tracks on the pin?

#58 5 years ago
Quoted from Aurich:

I haven't looked, can you really find instrumental versions of all the tracks on the pin?

I tried it just to see if it was possible and most of them were on youtube, if not officially available somewhere else.

Like Master of Puppets:

Or Enter Sandman:

#59 5 years ago

Does anyone else have a problem with clipping? I process songs and they sound terrible once they are on the pin with popping, cracking and distortion (Whisky in the Jar in particular). I am converting from .m4a (iTunes) files to .wav using Audacity and I am wondering if it's Audacity that's causing the problem because the songs sound fine as .m4a's.

#60 5 years ago
Quoted from digitalbytes:

Does anyone else have a problem with clipping? I process songs and they sound terrible once they are on the pin with popping, cracking and distortion (Whisky in the Jar in particular). I am converting from .m4a (iTunes) files to .wav using Audacity and I am wondering if it's Audacity that's causing the problem because the songs sound fine as .m4a's.

I am no expert and am still learning myself but are you changing the Project Rate to 24000Hz in the bottom left corner in Audacity?
Sorry I couldn't be more help?

1 week later
#61 5 years ago
Quoted from Sparky:

Those numbers are not correct for 1.22
#345 Battery
#431 Creeping Death
#502 Enter Sandman
#574 Fade to Black
#627 For Whom the Bell Tolls
#665 Fuel
#726 Master of Puppets
#794 One
#839 Sad But True
#915 Seek and Destroy
#994 End of the Line
#1059 The Unforgiven

Has anyone worked out what these are for the 1.51 firmware?

#62 5 years ago

Full length song locations Metallica v1.51:
Request 476 Battery
Request 591 Blackened
Request 701 Creeping Death
Request 772 Enter Sandman
Request 845 Fade To Black
Request 899 For Whom The Bell Tolls
Request 938 Fuel
Request 997 Master of Puppets
Request 1065 One
Request 1198 Ride The Lightning
Request 1280 Sad But True
Request 1350 Seek and Destroy
Request 1428 The End of the Line
Request 1493 Unforgiven

#63 5 years ago
Quoted from Hougie:

Full length song locations Metallica v1.51:
Request 476 Battery
Request 591 Blackened
Request 701 Creeping Death
Request 772 Enter Sandman
Request 845 Fade To Black
Request 899 For Whom The Bell Tolls
Request 938 Fuel
Request 997 Master of Puppets
Request 1065 One
Request 1198 Ride The Lightning
Request 1280 Sad But True
Request 1350 Seek and Destroy
Request 1428 The End of the Line
Request 1493 Unforgiven

Fantastic, thanks!

#64 5 years ago
Quoted from mfresh:

Has anyone worked out what these are for the 1.51 firmware?

Just synchonize the bookmarks and you'll have the list in the sound combo box
See Pinball Browser OP for more details.

#65 5 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

Has anybody tried an instrumental only version? These mp3 player pins get all muddy IMHO because the lyrics of the song get stepped all over by sfx & quotes. If I had a Metallica, the first thing I'd want to try is replacing all the songs with instrumental only versions of the same thing (most of which can be found online).

Quoted from Aurich:

I haven't looked, can you really find instrumental versions of all the tracks on the pin?

So I went really digging now, since there's likely a Metallica in my future soon. I found instrumental versions of everything except End of the Line. So close.

#66 5 years ago
Quoted from epthegeek:

I found instrumental versions of everything except End of the Line.

If you ever need that song, you da man.

#67 5 years ago
Quoted from yancy:

If you ever need that song, you da man.

Yeah, that's kind of what I thought. Chances most people would ever hear it are pretty slim.

1 week later
#68 5 years ago

Just flashed my all instrumental (and subbed sanitarium for unforgiven) rom and it works out exactly like I hoped. It's much more "pinball" and much less "mp3 player" when the music is just music.

#69 5 years ago

I made the following changes:

Battery ----> Whiskey in the Jar
Blackened ----> Four Horsemen
Unforgiven ----> Welcome Home (Sanitarium)

Left the CIU mode titled "Battery"

1 week later
#71 5 years ago

Battery ----> Whiskey in the Jar? WTF?!?! Are you deaf/or just making fun?

#72 5 years ago
Quoted from Breadfan:

Battery ----> Whiskey in the Jar? WTF?!?! Are you deaf/or just making fun?

I love me some Thin Lizzy, but battery is one of the only tunes that I play to.

1 month later
#73 5 years ago

When you guys are doing the song replacements, are you modifying the songs to be the same length as the one it replaced?

#74 5 years ago
Quoted from Hudson:

When you guys are doing the song replacements, are you modifying the songs to be the same length as the one it replaced?

Yes. Or, in the case of making a shorter song fit, trying to edit to make it play twice in the original time parameter.

#75 5 years ago
Quoted from Hudson:

When you guys are doing the song replacements, are you modifying the songs to be the same length as the one it replaced?

On the 1.22 code, I had used "My Apocolypse" and one minute from "Motorbreath" to fill in the extra time on the song I was replacing (I can't remember which one it was now). For the current code, I didn't double up on any. All my song choices had to be trimmed a little.

#76 5 years ago

Mechanix by Megadeth would a be a good replacement for The Four Horseman (if that's even on there).

#77 5 years ago
Quoted from davewtf:

Mechanix by Megadeth would a be a good replacement for The Four Horseman (if that's even on there).

The Four Horseman isn't on the original code. However, it's on my game.

2 weeks later
#78 5 years ago

For v16, all the song numbers are only one number off, except for Battery and Blackened stay the same:

Battery 476
Blackened 591
CD 702
ES 773
FTB 846
FWTBT 900
Fuel 939
MoP 998
One 1066
RTL 199
SBT 1281
SnD 1351
TEOTL 1429
Unforgiven 1494

#79 5 years ago

does anyone here ever share their Code?

#80 5 years ago

I swapped Walk This Way (rundmc version) for Unforgiven. It's a fantastic track for pinball...
Paul Editor, pavlovpinball.com

#81 5 years ago
Quoted from S37VEN:

Just read the guide. WAY over my head.

I would be worried about screwing something up and losing the factory defaults without adding the desired new stuff.

Quoted from movingpictures:

MET Pro v1.22 - Track location and duration:
343 Battery – 5:09
429 Creeping Death – 6:34
500 Enter Sandman – 5:30
572 Fade to Black – 6:56
625 For Whom the Bell Tolls – 5:09
663 Fuel – 4:29
724 Master of Puppets – 8:32
792 One – 7:24
843 Sad But True – 5:23
913 Seek and Destroy – 6:50
992 End of the Line – 7:51
1057 The Unforgiven – 6:26

I so need this information for Mustang premium/LE. I need to replace at least four of the eight factory songs.

Quoted from jk2171:

I could help if need be.

I'm located in IL. I may ask for your help if I run into trouble.

#82 5 years ago

thank you to Sparky for hooking me up on the much desired code /with new selections

Quoted from Sparky:

For v16, all the song numbers are only one number off, except for Battery and Blackened stay the same:
Battery 476
Blackened 591
CD 702
ES 773
FTB 846
FWTBT 900
Fuel 939
MoP 998
One 1066
RTL 199
SBT 1281
SnD 1351
TEOTL 1429
Unforgiven 1494

1 week later
#83 5 years ago

I don't know if any of you are just basically replacing music, but doing that without any cleanup is kind of a bad idea. Any mp3 you find is probably not going to have the same volume (gain) as the music in the game and this can be quite noticeable. I recommend adjusting the mp3 gain in audacity before you import it.

Export the song (from the rom image) you want to replace using pinball browser. Load it into audacity

Load the song you want into audacity as well. (both are loaded now)

Adjust the gain settings in the new song using the mixer board. Play both tracks, stop, adjust gain as needed until both songs have about the same volume and vocal levels.

Close the old song, export the new song and them import it into the rom.

Rob

#84 5 years ago
Quoted from Rob_G:

I don't know if any of you are just basically replacing music, but doing that without any cleanup is kind of a bad idea. Any mp3 you find is probably not going to have the same volume (gain) as the music in the game and this can be quite noticeable. I recommend adjusting the mp3 gain in audacity before you import it.
Export the song (from the rom image) you want to replace using pinball browser. Load it into audacity
Load the song you want into audacity as well. (both are loaded now)
Adjust the gain settings in the new song using the mixer board. Play both tracks, stop, adjust gain as needed until both songs have about the same volume and vocal levels.
Close the old song, export the new song and them import it into the rom.
Rob

This is good advice, but I'm not sure they did this in the real ROM. Some songs seem pretty quiet. I did nothing but convert the sample rate in Audacity for a quick test and I was pretty happy with the results. The thing that killed me was the loops at the beginning of a ball. It kept the loop that made sense with the previous song and had awful results with a new song. Has anyone found a fix for that? For example, looping the first few seconds of Enter Sandman will get you a repeat on the intro guitar riff. Let's say it's 0 to 10 seconds. If i replace that with Orion it, a song with a fade in that doesn't really start to kick in until 20 seconds or so, you hear nothing.

#85 5 years ago

Nothing to be done about the looping, just like the song lengths it's hard coded. I've decided to live with some of my less favorite songs rather than than have ones I like be awkward, it would bother me every time I heard them.

#86 5 years ago

I used the tutorial that was in the Pinball Browser thread, which explains how to fix the levels using Audacity. Since I've left Enter Sandman in the game, I should adjust the levels and put it back in because it's so quiet compared to all the other songs.

Regarding the looping, I have one song that sounds like it's skipping while in the launch lane, but like Aurich said, nothing can be done about that.

#87 5 years ago

I do hate One enough that I might live with bad looping just to get rid of it, when I accidentally pick it it ruins playing that whole game while it's playing.

#88 5 years ago

SBT is the one song I want to replace because it doesn't fit well at all in a multiball. I've toyed with replacing it with Lords Of Summer...

I also changed all coffin references to casket since the callouts say casket.

Rob

4 weeks later
#89 5 years ago

I replaced One with Bleeding me & Unforgiven with Broekn Beat and scarred.
I used the bookmarks and imported the songs using 4.0
The songs play fine and everything appears good, however at the end of each ball, I get a quick cut off of music and just the sound effects play.
On the songs I didn't replace , the cut off only lasts 2 seconds and then you can hear the song playing through the scoring sound effects.

Anyone run into this problem ?

I am going to try again, reburn from default 1.6 maybe choose a different songs & see if it was a fluke.

Thanks

1 month later
#90 5 years ago

I am starting from scratch with the Metallica Pro (for song replacement). For the Pro code version 1.63 (Fall 2014) would someone please post the location numbers and track durations?

Thanks!

#91 5 years ago

Orion?!? yucky
stone cold crazy would be awesome

#92 5 years ago

Anyone? (See my previous post).

Thx

#93 5 years ago
Quoted from flipperwiz:

I am starting from scratch with the Metallica Pro (for song replacement). For the Pro code version 1.63 (Fall 2014) would someone please post the location numbers and track durations?

No need to post the sound-request ids.
When you start Pinball Browser, it will ask you if you want to download the online bookmarks.
Answer 'yes' and you'll have the song bookmarks for MTL163 :
mtl163.png

#94 5 years ago

Thanks oga83. That's cool. So it's my understanding that if you replace the longest request, then the fragments will automatically be done as well. (Correct me if that's not the case).

So in your example above what's the quickest way to find the longest request for each song?

Thanks!

#95 5 years ago

The longest requests are bookmarked as shown . click in the Pull-down box <that shows Fade to Black highlighted, in the pic> and wala, you're there . You are over thinking it.

BTW , i have found that Phantom Lord (modified in Audacity) is a great replacement for the song that ruined Metallica and No Remorse is a great replacement for that god-awful "Unforgiven", especially at the end of the game.

#96 5 years ago

OK, thanks for the guidance and new question-

Is there a way to put the songs in your own preferred playlist order vs. the way Stern has them? For example, if you wanted MOP to be the first track instead of Battery.

1 year later
#97 3 years ago

MTL17 Pro locations:

487 Battery
602 Blackened
713 Creeping Death
784 Enter Sandman
856 Fade to Black
911 For Whom the Bell Tolls
950 Fuel
1009 Master of Puppets
1077 One
1210 Ride the Lightning
1292 Sad But True
1362 Seek and Destroy
1440 End of the Line
1505 Unforgiven

#98 3 years ago

MTL17 Prem and LE

490 Battery
605 Blackened
716 Creeping Death
787 Enter Sandman
860 Fade to Black
914 For Whom the Bell Tolls
953 Fuel
1012 Master of Puppets
1080 One
1213 Ride the Lightning
1295 Sad But True
1365 Seek and Destroy
1443 End of the Line
1508 The Unforgiven

#99 3 years ago

Hougie you da man ! Thanks for bumping this, I need to throw Olga $20 then start this madness. Hopefully tonight, if I can narrow down their catalog to 12 (Battery and Blackened ain't goin anywhere).

#100 3 years ago

A friend dumped all the Met songs for Led Zep. Sounds great. Another friend heard it and put Zep on his Met as well and loves it. Rock and Roll and Immigrant Song multi-balls are sweet.

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