Amazing sure, but I doubt we will ever have the depth that was available for those few years.

I mean, you would be drinking with your friends and someone would say "Remember 'One Good Reason' by the Swingers?" and three people at once would say "Fuck yeah!". but then the first guy would say "But not the mushy version on the album, the version from the Ausie movie Starstruck". You would type into Napster and 1 minute latter you would have it, in all its glory.

Or someone would bring up the tracks from Miles, Hancock and Jones that never got released because they were on 3 different labels at the time. A few minutes latter you would have what could not be bought at any price.

Those were great times for the true music lover.

2 reasons not to make this game

1 they all cut there hair

2 napster is going to want there share

The Swingers!! Very obscure Kiwi band reference there!

Did you like Split Enz? Another classic Kiwi band ... The singer/guitarist of The Swingers (Phil Judd) was a founding member of Split Enz.

PS -1 on Metallica (Lars is an underwhelming drummer)
+1 on Maiden (Paul Dianno gets the boot Multiball)

Cheers
Dave the Kiwi

Fixed that for you Akuma.

That's what I'm talking about when I say how great Napster was.

You can't download cool stuff like that from iTunes.

Yeah good band, their song "One Step Ahead" still gets airplay here in the States.

Maiden.
The talent pool is bigger and better. So much so, you could even fit a boat!
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Less chlorine to maintain it too.
Plus, who else still makes kick-ass regional state/country/city tour shirts such as these?
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Eddie riding my state's bear?!? $40? I'll take TWO!!!

(I will be enjoying tonight's show too FWIW.)
Up the irons!

That's awesome!!! I'd also take two myself.

This one is my fav.. obviously NSFW

I think they should do a rob zombie pin with him doing the artwork now that would be something special !!!!!!

Not a big fan but i like that idea a lot more.

Sprinkles.... goooood. LOL

But, you weren't paying for it. I don't know all the history behind Metallica vs Napster, but if I had some intellectual property that I created and owned, and people were stealing it, I would sue too. So would most people. If someone came to your house, swiped your car and gave it away would that be cool because it was a boon to car lovers?

This illustrates the difference betwixed Physical & intellectual property.

Maybe not the best example, but stealing to me is taking someone's property, physical or intellectual. Oh, and sorry for taking the post so off topic. A Metallica pinball could be cool, would like it much more than Kiss anyway.

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It's a tough call for sure. I mean if it were easy there'd be nothing to talk aboot.
Just make sure when you talk about "stealing music" probably 99% of people here are guilty.
When I was a kid we copied each others cassettes (in high speed no less ) <---Music Pirate
You were trying to bang some chica out so you made her a mix tape. <----Sailing seas for booty
"Hey wanna borrow the 45 I just got at the sock hop?" <----Sit on it bluebeard
Can I borrow you Radiers 2600 cartridge? <---8bit matey

Crooks!

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The last two aren't piracy as no copying is involved. But, the first two are stealing. Stealing a small amount, sure. Stealing for an admittedly higher purpose (getting laid), still stealing. The law does recognize that stealing a pack of gum is less of an offense than stealing $100k from a bank, but from a morality standpoint, it is still wrong. At least that is what I teach my kids.

Sorry for going off topic again, but TheLaw made me!!!!

If you had the Mona Lisa in your house and I came over and scanned it and sent copies to museums and schools all over the world, are you harmed by this?

Otherwise millions of people would never get to see it, because you don't want to share it with anybody. You got it for free, but because you don't want to share it with your ex wife, you keep it locked away.

You might be annoyed because I'm sharing the work of a master that you want to keep to yourself, but I've not harmed you in any way.

Now imagine some of the greatest names in Jazz, all but one now dead, played some of the best performances of their lives 40 years ago in a series of free to the public gigs. Because they each are signed to a different record label, the recordings sit in a vault; the master tapes slowly decaying (magnetic tapes lose their magnetism and the iron oxides flake off the tape backing).

A Sony employee decides this is a crime against humanity and dubs the master tape onto a digital master. Then he keeps it available on Napster to share it with the Jazz world.

Who is being harmed? Sony is never going to release it, so they are not losing any money on it. The artists are almost all dead and would have been happy to share their art as they did when they made it. Thousands of people's lives are enriched by it.

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Who would want to steal Metallicunt's songs anyway? They play them so much on Corporate Radio, you hear them more than if you owned the albums.

Me thinks this is no longer a conversation about a Metallica themed pin.

It's a huge part of Metalica's legacy now so it gets thrown in , plus it's a dumb idea (j/k!)

So what aboot copying them is the bad part. I have bought the files from amazon store, why are they not mine? They are only being loaned to me by the artist?

Yes, as you just made it so I could not make copies and sell it to museums and schools all over the world, and I owned the rights to it. It would harm me because you just took it without my permission and gave it away for free. Not your right to decide.

Doesn't matter how much I paid for it, matters how much its worth. In any case, Metallica or any other artist doesn't get their stuff for free. They work to create it. This is their job. What they choose to do with their creations is their right, not yours.

Again, not yours or some employees right. Whomever owns the rights is the one that can decide. If you wanted to release something public domain, purchase it and give it away or convince the owners to give it away for the good of humanity. Otherwise it is theft.

Dammit, sorry, last one I promise. This time vid1900 made me

You aren't buying the rights to the song. You are buying the rights to personal use of the song for listening purposes. Uploading it for others to download violates those rights. Read the agreement when you download songs.

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You don't want anybody to see it because of your ex wife. You are taking it to the grave with you. You are not going to charge museums or schools because your ex could then possibly see it.

But can I give you the original files? Like I can give you a CD I don;t want anymore? What if you don't have a computer, can I burn the files to a disk and give them to you?

Not if it's Metallica.

I disagree about the whole Maiden vs. Metallica thing. Sure, Maiden had some great tunes, but no one had the sound of Metallica 'in the day'. They were one of a kind and forged a new path in metal. I f'ing hate anything past And Justice, but all of the albums before are must have for all true metalheads.

I would love to buy a Metallica machine if they kept it in the early years and had good flow/complexity. Nothing worse that a great theme with shitty play. I would much prefer very deep play and a shitty theme, much like my Baywatch.

Methinks if we want to keep discussing piracy and the legality/ethics about we should create a separate thread. Until then I just don't want to keep polluting this one. Apologies to the OP.

That's better than computer games and software. You aren't even legally allowed to sell the CDs/DVDs anymore.

I've seen it brought up many times in all the other music vs. Iron Madien threads, that maiden is still huge around the world, and most of the games made go overseas....so in that scenario it makes sense.

You're kidding right, both of them actually contributed to the music.

In that aspect I agree 100%, Maiden is by far more popular globally with many age groups, although I was never a huge fan for some reason. I think I just prefer more 'in your face' metal than Maiden, more thrash I suppose.

Yes I am kidding. It was a "call back" to all the ACDC threads.

Art package would be more intense on Maiden. If Metallica has MOP or RTL LE's this would have high hopes from alot of Metal fans. But just imagine Eddy as a centerpiece with the Rime of the Ancient Mariner MB! A lower playfield "Hallowed be thy Name" which would be the gallos or better yet The Number of the Beast Lower playfield! aka AC/DC's "Hell". Cannot play with Madness (Medieval Madness) spoof MB!

Metallica has been quoted several times as having been influenced by Maiden.

To the poster going tonight to the show...ENJOY! Saw em twice last week, and did different sets each night!

Also, the shirt with Eddie riding a Grizzly was sold out at both shows...Hopefully they got more made and sent!

If it's...

Led Zep, Crue, Metallica to choose from then it's Metallica only if classic art and sound. If it's current then Led Zep all the way! Then again Crue has some eye popping candy to look at along with a rolling drum set!

I'm not even going to comment on the good and bad of Metallica and Napster...

But Multi-ball on a Metallica pinball, they could play Blitzkreig. Would be a perfect tune selection..

Look guys, this is the deal. Most bands would not bother to sue Napster because the record companies own their a**es and give them pennies for every album sold, so stealing their music doesn't mean much, and they are forced to do live shows to make a living.

Metallica has enough clout to own most of the rights to their own material, and thus are perhaps one of a dozen musical acts where stealing their studio music has some material impact to the band itself. And really it wasn't the money, it was the fact that someone leaked songs off their new album before they got a chance to release it. There were 5 other identical services, so who really cares about Napster... it never adversely impacted the availability of pirated music, and bit torrent was invented to circumvent the centralization of pirated information so that going forward it would be impossible to sue anyone.

Metallica has always been the most fan friendly musical act of all time, and considering Metallica and Iron Maiden have played upwards of 2000 concerts each over many decades... it's pretty tough to go wrong with either band. The problem is most musical genres last only 5-10 years, so music themed pins are tough. Metallica has lasted as long as they have because they invented their genre, and Iron Maiden, while having shorter musical life, they became iconic, today both musical styles are, frankly, a bit dated.

The good thing is both bands were hot while pinball was hot, so the overlap of pinball and Maiden/Metallica fans is greater than the Rolling Stones, and lets face it, metal is a much better fit for pinball than bluesy rock.

So, Justin Beiber pinball machine or a Snoop Lion FTW! (I am seriously kidding!)

Rolling Stones is as dated as they come! I just think a Maiden package would be highly more regarded worldwide!

Metal and pinball are a perfect fit!

Generation X is going into their mid-life crisis era! Look OUT!

I don't know aboot that. Stones have been going a long time man...thru all of pinball's "hot times."
Certainly more Stones fans than metallica fans alone. Probably still more if you added maiden on as well.

Agian I'm American so impact of Maiden is completeely unknown to me.

It would but The S.Tendecies basists has not done much on new material? He just plays all of Newstead and Burton peices while crouching and swirling!

i would love to see a m pin made

exactly. I'm all about paying for something... if it's available. There are lots and lots of obscure things out there, and not just music, movies and tv shows too. Look at HBO, they REFUSE to allow alacarte, you have to buy a crappy 300 channel package before you can get HBO. The most stolen TV show right now? Games of thrones. They are losing revenue they could be making by offering the public what they want.

You realize how many things aren't released on DVD because there isn't enough demand for it? Hell, if someone would fricken convert all the 3-2-1 contact episodes from PBS to DVD, I'd be in line to buy a box set.

No thank you. Never buy anything Metallica. Decent music but a bunch of jerks.

OZZY RULES!!

Another could be whiplash kickback

I know you have heard it before but-"Metallica sucks"-you could not pay me to put it in my house.

Burton is Metallica! End of story.

for comic relief this pin needs a napster multiball =)

It will probably be all new metallica songs and not classic ones that rock.

It will suck! Too commercial, the one made by a true fan and artist would be the best, it would cut out all of the clip art BS.

ALL HAIL THE PROPHET, RUS7T3.