So the new machines don't even have the black playfield legs to rest playfield on cabinet anymore? Or did you just remove them to install these service brackets? Man what a shame, first they take away the nice back box lock and now no service brackets or stands? How am I supposed to justify spending the amount of money I am right now for a NIB led pro and they give you bare minimum stripped down games. Huh, even the knocker is gone. Maybe I'll keep my money instead this is f$&#in bullshit.

I know about the knocker not being made but why? Isn't that sound part of the nostalgic pinball madness, why take away an integral part of the game to save a few bucks. Oh I know why so they can bend me over after spending almost $5K on a new machine.

No not at all I'm actually quite psyched about getting this game, but I wish I could get more for my money as I'm sure you would like to too.

Hopefully in the next couple of weeks, just waiting for this particular dealer to work out a few details. Just trying to get as much info about this game as possible so I can justify spending almost $5K.

Has anybody gone through the newest code revision on the pinball browser to locate songs in the code so they can be changed with new ones, or is it just a matter of going through every line? Gotta be a better way...

Do they just stick right over the insert?

So the 2 lights under the mystery scoop and fuel targets replace the spot lights?

I would be more interested in this setup, so how would you implement the extra needed light sockets for underneath the playfield and how would you connect them electrically? Thanks.

I talked with Melissa at Cointaker and she said the new MET led pro has 2 improvements or add ons, anybody know what they are?

There are improvements over the last batch of led pros according to Melissa...

Any issues out of the box with these new runs?

I was wondering this too. Why would you not cover the magnets though. I would to protect those too as the route games I have seen, the magnets look all beat up and almost mushroomed. As long as the magnet is flush with the playfield, I say cover the whole thing.

I suppose it would be better to get a larger diameter mylar then, as the 1.1" diameter would be like a 1/4" ring around the magnet.

Yeah I think someone is working on changing colors for the pro right?

^ so you guys glued the lamp into the socket? Is this a problem with all machines cause that seems pretty shitty...

What would you suggest better, mylar rings or the cliffy's around the magnets? Also if using the cliffy's do they just stick down to the playfield with double sided tape or? Thanks.

Hell yeah! Joining the club. Special shout out to Melissa at Cointaker as she goes above and beyond for customer service as well as great pricing. Suppose to ship from Stern Monday so should have it by next weekend. Time to order mods now and think about what songs I'm changing. Pics to come. Peace!

Hell yeah!! Officially part of the club. image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg
Installed the sparky protector right a way, brought the outlanes in, and replaced the balls with PL shiny ones. Loving it so far. Thinking about getting the shaker motor but is there any bad effects to the game after installing it with too much vibration? Have the snake fangs and tongue sticker, the fluorescent green sling and inlane protectors from PL and going to change some insert lighting colors too. Another shout out to Melissa at Cointaker, excellent customer service! Looking forward to an awesome weekend of installing mods and playing. Peace!

Anybody know the difference between Cointaker's Red Tremor shaker and Sterns shaker? Does installing either rattle the glass too much during play? Any other ill long term effects from the vibration? Thanks all!

WTF! My brand new game is dead in the water. No coils or flashers are working. Playing a game and all of a sudden flippers go dead ball drains and no ball kick out. Go into coil test and none of my coils are working. The voltage cut off switch at coin door is working. Got to be a fuse somewhere, none in the back box appear to be blown, are there more in the cabinet and where? This sucks!

Tried several times must not be available on the weekends?

Wow, how unfortunate for you, and I would be quite upset as well. Definitely contact Stern and see if they warranty this damage. What happened? Just an air ball that caused that much damage? I hope this is not a sign of bad production games in this latest run because I got one and It definitely concerns me. Good luck and sorry that happened.

Yes it seems the mystery hole and kick out gets a lot of use so the cliffy there is probably a good addition. It is next on my list of items for MET.

I want to change a few songs using the pinball browser and have a few questions besides how you actually do it. Once you replace a track, does it automatically change places in the game that used that track. For example at the end of the game I believe it plays Unforgiven, so if you change that song will it also change that part in the game or do you have to replace that too? If you change Fade To Black will it also change it in crank it up? I think I really want to incorporate Shortest Straw, No Remorse, and Damage Inc. if I can. Anybody have experience with any of these changes? Thanks.

That magnet looks like it is below the playfield...be sure it is flush with the playfield. Still tho, that should not be happening to the playfield, I would be livid and demanding something be done either through your distributor or directly with Stern. Good luck.

Great addition! When the game starts the snake light is lit, just wondering what needs to be hit in order to qualify the snake to be lit again?

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Who else has toppers for their MET machine? Post here if you care to share. Trying to find some good ideas besides the McFarlane Harvestors of Sorrow figures and stage set. Thanks.

I have an extra pro translight poster if anyone is looking for a replacement or to replace the old guys on the road case version. PM me for details. Thanks.

Mine was made in April and I have not had any playfield flaking issues (knock on wood). I have on the other hand had led issues and a bad powerboard that was just replaced. Hopefully I'm done fixing for a while.

Thought I would share some tastefull mods I did to my pro. All I want now is some LED interactive speakers and a color DMD. This game is awesome!image.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpeg

Just google "Metallica pinball pictures" and you'll find plenty. Saved .jpg file and printed from computer on 4 X 6 glossy photo paper after messing with scale to scale down to fit. You actually have to cut a 4 X 6 photo to fit in the card slots.

Thank you sir!

Why yes it is, Mr. Tim was kind enough to hook me up with one at the last Pinball Showdown here in Denver this last year. I thought it would look good there since it is the coffin shot and it kinda helps people to know what to hit.

How do you adjust the height? and keep us informed if you find a sweet spot. I find it odd that a metal post would work better than a plastic post since the ball is metal you would think it would bounce back even more with a metal post?

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That would be a easy fix, interested to know if it works, keep us posted.

That rising cross is awesome, nice job! Do you have to have the interactive light show mod to have this mod? Would be great if you could just do the rising cross independently...

He'll yeah final mods added tonight and I'm done for a while. Added a color DMD, interactive led speaker lights from refinery, and I installed a real knocker inside my cabinet. This game is awesome, now I just need to get to EOTL.

I thought I read in another post somewhere that Lyman is working on another update for MET. What could he possibly add to make this game better? More wizard or mini wizard modes please.

How would band member modes be implemented? Hit enough pic targets obviously to start, then when started maybe hit 2 ramps to collect within a certain time limit. Second band member, hit 2 ramps and 2 loops, so on and so forth with different targets to collect each one. Just a thought, would be fun!

I have the color changing LEDs in my mystery hole and I think it looks great.

I hope so, band member modes would be icing on the cake.

Must be a premium thing for the mystery hole lights as the pro just uses standard 44 lamps.

Please include the pro model for whatever your working on. I'm sure it will be a great mod for a great game!

Heck yeah new album in 2016!

Most of the time the post in my machine when shooting the left orbit doesn't even put the ball into the pops as it is designed. The ball has too much momentum and comes back down the left orbit. I know some people have changed that to a metal post but that doesn't seem like the corect fix as metal to metal would be even more transfer of energy. I think it's more of a design issue than anything. Should have put it closer to the pops so the brief stop of the ball is already on the right side of the playfield and any momentum would have to flow to the right and into the pops.

I think the metal post part was somewhere in this thread...could you be so kind to show me what to get. Thanks.

Thank you.

I used alligator clips on my pinball cabinet speaker right to the input in the sub and it sounds awesome and clear. Make sure you have solid connections.

What about just changing the cabinet and back box speakers with the Flipper Fidelity 8" coaxial system? Includes all 3 speakers and they have to be much better than the stock POS's. Still use the external sub but the highs and the mids should be better with these upgrades right?

He's talking about the mode inserts not the fuel gauge. I personally just like CW lamps in there but did think about using color. If I did, I would do blue for the cross, keep Sparky white, snake orange, and coffin probably red.

New Sterns already have the metal cabinet protectors installed. It keeps the legs away from the cabinet and thus no wrinkling.

Hammer of justice crushes you overpower. Probably a simple gavel would do the trick. Lathe some cool etchings in it and it would be a winner.

No CIT is based on getting a certain amount of sparky, snake, cross, and coffin shots.

I think that description on Pinball News is incorrect. A left orbit shot, unless shot in a combo, should be diverted to the pops.

Cliff em All!!!!!

Weird thing happened the other day, I installed a real knocker kit that I previously had in ACDC (SAM) into my MET pro and it was working fine for the longest time. I had the game on, coin door open, and out of no where I heard the knock and a coil buzzing. I immediately shut the game off and didn't notice any smoke or fried electronics. How the hell did that coil fire? I matched a game and sure enough now my knocker is not working. Go into coil test, optional #24 coil, and no workie, what happened? What should I do to get it operational again? I guess check the coil and replace possibly. Wonder if its related to the sparky coil frying I read somewhere in this machine.

Can I just replace the old step up PCB with a newer updated one? I'll need to follow the wiring on the knocker assembly and find out which PCB you are referring to. Should have been part of that knocker assembly or is it stock in my MET? Where do I buy the newer updated step up board? Thanks.

I do not see a step up driver board at all for this Q24 optional coil? I took pictures of the knocker assembly and associated wires, where they go. I think I checked the Q24 drive transistor to be good, can you verify how I would check that transistor? Only other transistor I see is in the knocker assembly, 6th picture, don't know if that one is bad.IMG_1105_(resized).JPGIMG_1104_(resized).JPGIMG_1106_(resized).JPGIMG_1110_(resized).JPGIMG_1107_(resized).JPGIMG_1109_(resized).JPGIMG_1111_(resized).JPGIMG_1112_(resized).JPG
So, I do not see a step up driver board at all. How do I test the transistors correctly? If your looking at that assembly from the top (pic 1), the right wires go to the knocker coil, the middle wires go to my red & violet/grey connector in the cabinet towards the front left, and the left wires go up to the head and piggyback on that connector (pic 4). The coil ohmed continuous at the leads, connection removed, so the coil is OK. Another thing that does not make sense is the power voltage for Q24 is saying 5 VDC, is that the proper voltage to power that knocker coil? Help on where to go or troubleshoot next would be greatly appreciated!

Yes, this was a kit a while back from PL. So if I replace that transistor it should work right? How can I test transistors both on that kit PCB and on my power board. How is my knocker coil getting 50 VDC then? Thanks for all the help!

How do you test transistors? How do I know if these are NPN or PNP?

This is a MET thread, take your LED OCD to a different thread please.

How do you adjust the height of the post? I thought once you change the plastic post to the metal post the height is dictated by the length of the armature and not adjustable.

Do you have to remove the assembly from underneath the playfield to change the post?

People have mentioned several times about Mylar in the shooter lane. Is there a specific one or is it just a sheet cut to size? Link for the correct product would be appreciated. Thanks.

So just apply a coat or two with a small brush in the shooter lane? How long to dry before use? Never heard of this method before.

You can download the full manuals on Sterns website. It sucks because they should include the full printed manual but we live in a electronic world.

Hey man I like Journey too. Neil Schonne!

I finally made it to End Of The Line but failed miserably. All I can remember is that it was timed and I was supposed to hit lit shots. After it timed out, I was like that's IT??? Probably need to hit the shots better next time IF I can make it there again. Almost need a second person there to tell you what to shoot for.

What did you plug the LED strip into? Have a picture of how it looks? Thanks.

What color did you use, RGB color changing? What did you plug it into? Thanks!

Nice thanks.

Just started doing this after 1000 plays? No signs prior? This is really concerning because mine was produced on April 15, 2015, and mine has no signs of chipping or decals, but if it happens with more plays just seems weird. Good luck getting that then care of.

So what's your trick?

I thought you had a better way with just the pegs. I knew the trick with the service rails, but I have yet to just "slam" it over the hump, doesn't seem right. Also very uncomfortable going to the side and lifting the rear to get over it as well. Stupid design.

Musically it sounds great, lyrically not a big fan of how James sings ever since St. Anger. Seems choppy and forced. I can't explain it, early Metallica was ground breaking and Bob Rock changed how James approaches singing and not for the better IMO.

Live stream is awesome! Im jealous of all you Minneapolis folk who could have seen this show. First time they played Hard Wired live and it sounded great. Cant wait for the new album, Metallica is still kicking ASS!!!

Installing mylar on a new game for home use is absurd. None of my game have mylar installed and my games look brand new except for some dimpling. I would not buy anything from Stern until they get these issues resolved.

I think Stern is interested is investing more time in this game as the license has been extended and they will be making more. Make the code better and that turns into a lot more. Band member modes in conjunction with Blackened would be cool. I'm sure there's more that could be done.

What Mylar or what custom cut piece do you use to protect the shooter lane and does anybody have any pictures of it installed? Thanks.

Where did you get the cling clear protectors? Just a sheet and custom cut to fit?

Where did you get the cling material?

All this cliffys talk is non sense. I don't have any cliffy's installed in any of my machines and they look fine. You have it in a home environment and it won't see nearly the plays as a routed machine. Just play the damn thing!

Can someone explain the importance of the pops? I think it has something to do with increasing increasing the fuel lane value or something like that. Each time you hit the pops it counts piston hits right? Those animations in the pops never made sense to me.

Can someone explain the number of pop number hits and how it relates to anything else?

I suppose also the number of fuel lane hits, besides awarding a blown piston, doubles the playfield scoring at that time? The whole fuel lane and targets is still not clear.

How does the Pinovator board change the sound from say a easy hookup with the alligator clips on the speaker to the sub? Is it really noticeable and in what way? Clearer, more bass, more treble? I think it sounds pretty good with just the alligator clips, what am I missing out on? Thanks.

Did you use the matrix system connectors and strips from Comet? So you ran the wires underneath the playfield at the back there underneath that plastic? Nice addition.

If I recall, Shortest Straw is a great replacement time wise, otherwise The Thing That Should Not Be.

This thread is sooo long and I don't want to go through all the posts but I was asking if there is a way to adjust the flipper button tension. My other games flip so easy, nice and loose, but when I play my MET it feels like I have to push the buttons so hard. Do I just adjust the leaf spring switches? I hate to mess with the switches much but if that's the solution I guess that's what I have to do.

What is it? Give us a hint. Hopefully it will be for both the premium and pro versions.

Thanks I'll give that a try first or replace the buttons. It's hard to believe the leaf switches could give that much tension and adjusting them was what was suggested previously.

What's the best way to access that switch in the snake? My snake has been acting weird lately too, I make the shot and no snake letter awarded but game senses ball there and spits it back out.

I figured that much but still hard to get to. I think I would have to remove the switch in order to tweak the arm. It has those small hex screws and that's it.

That green looks awesome, much better than the purple.

I think it happens on all Sterns once in a while. I think the ball ejects too hard and pops back into the trough and then on the next cycle it kicks 2 balls out sometimes.

If you find a good solution or if anybody knows why it happens for sure please chime in. I guess it's a free multiball but still...

I was hoping someone would just start making some real knocker kits. Demand would be huge. SAM or SPIKE systems please.

I did, Axel Pose pulled his leaving shit and Metallica blew them away anyway.

Is this a decal or does it go in the insert from below?

I have a blue flasher on the left side and kept the white in the other, I think it looks great. Not so blinding when the sequence for Sparky multiball goes.

I just recently installed the cliffy protector in the mystery hole of my pro and now it seems to reject shots to it. It has to be a very direct shot and it will go in, but it seems harder, it seems like it gets rejected more than it should. Anybody else experience this effect?

Who sells the mantis protector for the mystery hole and is it better than the cliffy protector?