Nah, this isn't a game for me. I can tell you though, you're barking up the wrong tree with this whole "wood grain" idea.

Wth is it with stern pfs and shooter lanes in Ontario? Or is there an Ontario problem?!

wow, my game has thousands of games on it......thousands and no way it is scratch like that. Clean that playfield and wax it ASAP.

Williams playfields wore more than Stern playfields do. Sterns playfields also come off the line with fewer flaws, in general.

That was fake.

But it was a great ruckus for awhile....!

You learn something new every day on here.

Cool.

This is real though

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Inserts on that MM are still easier to read than the translucent MMRs

Giving the term ghosting new meaning

The same company, CCC, that made most of the Williams/Bally/Chicago Coin/Classic Stern playfields, is still making playfields for Stern today. They have been in business over 100 years.

The only playfields made by a different company overseas are the ones with these shooter lanes:

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A steel ball rolling around on wood in variable conditions...shit happens.

Has there been more than one complaint of inserts lifting to even debate if multiple issues exist on similar playfields? I have only ever heard of this one example...perhaps this is being blown completely out of proportion?

I'd say you're playing the survivors. The crap ones gave up the ghost long ago.

I think it's s bit out of proportion.

I have the "overseas" version in my LE. The PF is perfect with ZERO insert issues.

The only PF problem I am aware of with MET was that one batch of bad PF's that had major chipping happening by the sparky magnet and one poor guy had a PF with scoliosis that took months to get resolved.

Let me tag on to what dmbjunky is talking about.

You have Met, T2, White Water, CFTBL, TAF, MM, FH, LAH and TS in your current collection. You may have gems there but you can't honestly tell me you have not seen a crap ton of blown out FH (even covered in mylar), TAF (magnet section for instance), TS (again magnet section), WW (inserts), etc... There is a reason why there are companies repoing the PF's for FH, MM, White Water and TAF. It's not because they didn't wear out or have inserts that stayed perfect.

I'm finding your argument even harder at this point. Again, I don't like what happened but to say that doesn't happen on older games is not even remotely close to accurate. Heck, I don't think I've personally ever seen a WW or FH that didn't have inserts that have lifted.

Are they all in Canada? I've got to wonder if climate is part of the challenge here too.

How have you heard of so many when so many if it's not recognized as a widespread issue? Did pretty much every dog playfield end up in your area? And who doesn't care if their playfield is having the inserts fall out? Whether it's being used for personal use or competition, every pin owner would care. You either know odd folk or are telling odd stories.

this pic of the star trek pro playfield is real..... i took some pics of it meeself (i'll have to dig them up).

i played this game @ universal florida during the halloween horror nights (literally, the horror) .... it was located right over by the spidey ride in the arcade.

Post says inserts lifting. Look at pics and the inserts are raised.

Anyone else think this is a misdirected lets bash stern thread? Wood swells and shrinks. Got plenty of williams that have had raised inserts. You said it yourself the game is the non-led meaning its an older build. The state of the playfield, inserts asidem says you aren't big on maintenance for a game with such low plays. Level the inserts and stop complaining. This isn't Stern QC, this is just the nature of machines.

I think this thread is complete nonsense, and pretty typical of what you see here all the time.

Some guy says acdc is being rerun because of a new tour. People clear space in their game room because of a rumor that makes no sense and won't come to fruition.

Guy with a filthy game with pitted balls finds some alleged issues on his 3 year old Metallica, and suddenly we are supposed to sell our 2013s for less money because there are "bad playfields."

I don't buy it. Would take a lot more evidence than this.

My opinion is you don't take care of your machines and then whine because they are no longer perfect.

Sure, over the years, I have reglued 1000's of Williams inserts, especially when I still had my routes.

Many of those games are now in collector's hands and their owner's are none the wiser.

That does not mean that William's games were crap.

It just means that it's a normal part of pin maintenance.

I didn't call them crap? Inserts sinking/raising is just part of the nature of the beast. Calling Stern crap for it seems ridiculous. Not that Stern, or any pin manufacturer, didn't have reasons to be called crap. This just isn't one.

Sounds like we are in agreement....

They were sometimes raised right out of the box. Quite common, actually.

But remember the 90's games you have now, have already had their inserts reglued for the last 25 years before you got them.

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There were not too many HUO games back in the 90's.

We delivered some NIBs to sports celebrities, some to strip bar owners, but very few to average Joe's basements.

I don't agree with Levi often, but yeah. I'm leaning toward agreeing here.

Guess you won't be buying many new games then. Have fun buying pins that are close to 20 years old from now on.

The old, hot, incandescent lamps made the inserts rise (or sink) even faster than the LEDs do now.

Wood moves with heat and humidity.

Plastic and wood have 2 different expansion coefficients.

That was my MET premium with a twisted playfield and yes, it took 5 months to resolve. The lesson I learned is that it's best to go through your distributor rather than trying to deal direct with Stern on warranty.

Rob

How many of them have produced more than one machine?

How many of those companies have taken money and never produced a game?