Metallica (Pro)
Stern, 2013Hey everyone, does anyone have a problem with inserts lifting on there Metallica pin? It was mint when I first got it. Definitely affecting game play around flippers..Mostly picks and small crosses. Mine is a early run no Leds. Pictures are of the ball sitting right on the edge of the insert.
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It is a little dirty...on the other hand, the dirt appears to help show where the inserts may be lifting if that is in fact the case.
To answer your question. No this is not common.
Where is the game kept? In the house, garage, basement, etc. Is it climate controlled?
Premium pinball ultra Gloss balls from pinballlife.. only had this game a year. 628 plays, novus 2 cleaner. It needs a clean, but it shows the inserts more. balls are bouncing off the inserts like crazy. I'm sure scratching the playfeild as well.
You're not the first. I have heard of early run mets with incandescent bulbs do end up getting raised inserts. Change them to LEDs soon before more lift or get worse.
Quoted from 85vett:To answer your question. No this is not common.
Where is the game kept? In the house, garage, basement, etc. Is it climate controlled?
Game has always been in the finished basement, temperature controlled environment
Quoted from Lamberger:Premium pinball ultra Gloss balls from pinballlife.. only had this game a year. 628 plays, novus 2 cleaner. It needs a clean, but it shows the inserts more. balls are bouncing off the inserts like crazy. I'm sure scratching the playfeild as well.
Novus2 has no business being using on a pinball machine. Depending on how often you used it, it could have contributed to the problem because each use of it sands some of the clear coat protecting the playfield away.
That's pretty standard stuff.
Wood expands at a certain rate, and acrylic inserts expand at a different rate.
The more humid a location, the more movement you usually get.
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You can warm those inserts with a hair dryer, push them back down and then glue them with epoxy from the backside.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-ultimate-playfield-restoration#post-551406
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That ball looks terrible, replace them all.
Clean that game and get a good coat of wax on it, pronto.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/cleaning-and-waxing-pinball-machines-vids-guide
Its crazy dry in the basement, so dry I have real wood floors.. will do, thx for all the advice guys.
Quoted from markmon:Novus2 has no business being using on a pinball machine. Depending on how often you used it, it could have contributed to the problem because each use of it sands some of the clear coat protecting the playfield away.
I agree....yet people keep recommending it. I refuse to use it on my tables.
I have seen the same lifting and grunge pattern on at least one of the Metallica Pros on route near me. It might be more than one but I wouldn't want to speak incorrectly. I definitely noticed the dirty half-moons and thought "oh-they didn't want to make pick-shaped inserts".
Quoted from vid1900:You can warm those inserts with a hair dryer, push them back down and then glue them with epoxy from the backside.
https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/vids-guide-to-ultimate-playfield-restoration#post-551406
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Exactly what I would recommend. This works. Just be careful with the heat and use a hairdryer NOT a heat gun.
Contacted Stern about it, Patrick said it was "exceptional" quality from stern, his words..lol. Meaning we are happy with our shitty quality and eat a <edited content>...Wow, Surprising with all of the new competition. Its the last of the sterns we buy for our franchises... Just put a order in for 26 WoZs. good luck stern! <content edited>
I had that exact same issue with mine. Stern said it was the expected quality for a pro.
I didn't think the hearing the inserts and pushing back in deal would work with the clear... So basically the clear grts softened by the heat as well then hardens back in the flat form?
Quoted from erak:I dont mean to troll.
There is no way that machine has 698 plays and is that dirty.
Troll all you want, the pin went through a reno.. Sold it at a loss, problem solved.
Quoted from markmon:I'm calling BS on this. Lol
My mistake.. 26 is what were going start with. Money in the bank for jjp.. If they cant pull it off, we would be fine with hobbit, Alien or any other manufacture. I'll personally PM ya pictures when we get em 
Quoted from PhilGreg:I had that exact same issue with mine. Stern said it was the expected quality for a pro.
I didn't think the hearing the inserts and pushing back in deal would work with the clear... So basically the clear grts softened by the heat as well then hardens back in the flat form?
If you love the game, your gonna have to live with the issue unfortunately. I would dump it before they start to crack.. imagine what that's gonna look like.
I don't have it anymore, got it cheap, sold it cheap.
Nothing to do with the insert thing, I just find it woodchoppy and too long. Don't hate it, but don't like it enough for the money.
What did you manage to sell it for? I threw it on the curb for $3000, no takers above that... Looked into changing the playfield.. F that! What a waste of time n money, junk.
I would put a polycarbonate overlay on it. It would definitely help and be better than attempting a playfield swap.
ebay.com link: Playfield Protector STERN Metallica PRO Pinball Machine
Quoted from Lamberger:My mistake.. 26 is what were going start with. Money in the bank for jjp.. If they cant pull it off, we would be fine with hobbit, Alien or any other manufacture. I'll personally PM ya pictures when we get em
No offense man but it's not like WOZ's don't have PF issues here and there too. You have researched the games right? If so, you'd know there are problems with quite a few WOZ's clear PF's too. Not saying they are all bad (as they obviously aren't) but neither are all the Met PF's.
Oh yeah, JJP's results to their PF's wearing out in the pops, whatever you call that left drain pop and one other area (don't remember anymore) was to send out owners an overlay decal.
Not saying any of this is right but you're jumping out of one frying pan and right into another. Haven't seen a pinball MFG that hasn't had some issues with PF's. This goes for Bally and Williams too. I've even seen some beat to crap HUO AMH's too.
Quoted from 85vett:No offense man but it's not like WOZ's don't have PF issues here and there too. You have researched the games right? If so, you'd know there are problems with quite a few WOZ's clear PF's too. Not saying they are all bad (as they obviously aren't) but neither are all the Met PF's.
Oh yeah, JJP's results to their PF's wearing out in the pops, whatever you call that left drain pop and one other area (don't remember anymore) was to send out owners an overlay decal.
Not saying any of this is right but you're jumping out of one frying pan and right into another. Haven't seen a pinball MFG that hasn't had some issues with PF's. This goes for Bally and Williams too. I've even seen some beat to crap HUO AMH's too.
That's a good point, I will talk to JJP about the issues they have had.. and what sort of solution we would get.
Great info! I remember this grain being on the playfield I had..so Patrick straight up lied to me and said it was made by the same company that is making the Medieval Madness remake,( which is amazing)... it all Makes sense now, that would be a ton of playfields to fix.. Looks like Stern is trying to pull a fast one. I wonder if any Le's have the same grain/defects.. I would really be Pi$&^^&
Quoted from Lamberger:Great info! I remember this grain being on the playfield I had..so Patrick straight up lied to me and said it was made by the same company that is making the Medieval Madness remake, which is amazing... Looks like Stern is trying to pull a fast one. it all Makes sense now, that would be a ton of playfields to fix.. I wonder if any Le's have the same grain/defects.. I would really be Pi$&^^&
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I believe that is a le?
My new premium shooter lane looks like the Pro shooter lane that vid posted above. Is this the preferred one to have ?
Quoted from Lamberger:Everyone that owns a MET with this grain Just lost some resale value...I already did.
Every stern playfield I have had that grain and they all look great still. I don't agree with the above comment at all. I remember the woz threads about the massive flaking on the upper playfield clear around the rainbow targets.
In would think that unless there were multiple playfields all jacked up and they all had one or the other.....but one example doesn't really say much.
Quoted from markmon:Every stern playfield I have had that grain and they all look great still. I don't agree with the above comment at all. I remember the woz threads about the massive flaking on the upper playfield clear around the rainbow targets.
Every metallica playfield that has that grain (from #37) will probably have that problem with the guitar pick inserts.. There is another forum of flaking issues around the magnets as well. If I was to go for another Metallica(which will never happen, or ever buying a stern again for that matter), i would buy the other grain for sure.
It could also happen that the sun won't come up tomorrow.
Quoted from Lamberger:Every metallica playfeild that has that grain (from #37) could have a problem with the guitar pick inserts
I'm sure there was a reason why Stern changed playfield companys. Time will tell as this forum gets older
Quoted from jalpert:It could also happen that the sun won't come up tomorrow.
Sounds like you have the grain from#37.. lol
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