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MET Pro LED's falling out!

By trilamb

3 years ago


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#1 3 years ago

I'm brand new to the hobby. Metallica pro LED is my first pinball I've ever owned. Just got it NIB yesterday for my bday. Everything was working great for 24 hours then I got a message on the dmd saying it couldn't locate all the balls. Kept searching for a few minutes trying to find all the balls, but never found them all. So I took the glass off and popped the balls out to make sure all 4 were in the trough there and not stuck in a scoop or something.

I popped four balls out into the shooter lane... but with the balls came an LED light! Just plopped out into the shooter lane. Oh, hello there. (picture attached taken just seconds after this very exciting moment).

When I started the machine back up - it worked fine - no more ball search. I guess an LED got loose in the trough and was messing up the ball locator thingy (that's the technical term right? Did I mention I'm new to hobby?)

Everything was fine after that, then a ball hit something on the playfield a few minutes later (not sure what the ball hit as I was looking at the flipper) and lo and behold I see an LED skittering across the play field and then coming to a stop in the middle of the playfield - exactly like the one from the trough. Where did you come from, little friend? Opened up the glass, took out the LED. Started up the game again, everything is fine. Played for another 30 mins or so. No problems.

But I have no idea where those LED's came from. There aren't any obvious lights missing that I can see, but I don't know the game well enough to necessarily know what should be lit and when.

Can someone please help me figure out how to tell what LED's are missing (and how to put them back in)? Is there a simple diagnostic in the menus that will tell you what LED's are missing? Again, I'm super super green to the hobby so any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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#2 3 years ago
Quoted from trilamb:

I'm brand new to the hobby. Metallica pro LED is my first pinball I've ever owned. Just got it NIB yesterday for my bday. Everything was working great for 24 hours then I got a message on the dmd saying it couldn't locate all the balls. Kept searching for a few minutes trying to find all the balls, but never found them all. So I took the glass off and popped the balls out to make sure all 4 were in the trough there and not stuck in a scoop or something.
I popped four balls out into the shooter lane... but with the balls came an LED light! Just plopped out into the shooter lane. Oh, hello there. (picture attached taken just seconds after this very exciting moment).
When I started the machine back up - it worked fine - no more ball search. I guess an LED got loose in the trough and was messing up the ball locator thingy (that's the technical term right? Did I mention I'm new to hobby?)
Everything was fine after that, then a ball hit something on the playfield a few minutes later (not sure what the ball hit as I was looking at the flipper) and lo and behold I see an LED skittering across the play field and then coming to a stop in the middle of the playfield - exactly like the one from the trough. Where did you come from, little friend? Opened up the glass, took out the LED. Started up the game again, everything is fine. Played for another 30 mins or so. No problems.
But I have no idea where those LED's came from. There aren't any obvious lights missing that I can see, but I don't know the game well enough to necessarily know what should be lit and when.
Can someone please help me figure out how to tell what LED's are missing (and how to put them back in)? Is there a simple diagnostic in the menus that will tell you what LED's are missing? Again, I'm super super green to the hobby so any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Unlike Pinball 2000, you can't see where there's a light out from the diagnostics. You just have to visually inspect for an empty socket. Check the slings and near the outlanes. Common areas the lights come out.

If it came from a spotlight, you can make sure they don't come out again by doing this:
https://www.pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fixing-led-bulbs-flashers-that-fall-out-of-spotlights

#3 3 years ago

It’s a wedge base bulb so my guess its a spotlight. Check all the areas that have spotlights and look for missing bulbs.

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#4 3 years ago

best thing to do is replace sterns shitty leds with cointaker's in the spotlights. if you want to keep the spotlight bulbs that came with the game, use glue dots on the base to hold them in better. i changed all of my spotlight bulbs on my metallica le with cointaker bulbs and they haven't fallen out since.

#5 3 years ago

Thanks all. Seems to be the spotlights by the slingers (as i don’t see any lights in them!). Will try to pop them back in tomorrow - and also check out cointakers versions. Thanks for the fast and friendly help.

#6 3 years ago

I also have a shaker motor on mine and from day one those bulbs never stayed in the spotlights at slings. Tried all sorts of remedies and decided to just keep them out because I got sick of taking the glass off.
-Mike

#7 3 years ago
Quoted from trilamb:

Thanks all. Seems to be the spotlights by the slingers (as i don’t see any lights in them!). Will try to pop them back in tomorrow - and also check out cointakers versions. Thanks for the fast and friendly help.

You could try gently bending the wires back and then wrapping a couple of turns of masking tape around the wedge. Then bend the wires back in place. Should grip better in the holder.

#8 3 years ago
Quoted from PinsideTroll:

best thing to do is replace sterns shitty leds with cointaker's in the spotlights. if you want to keep the spotlight bulbs that came with the game, use glue dots on the base to hold them in better. i changed all of my spotlight bulbs on my metallica le with cointaker bulbs and they haven't fallen out since.

I have the first met pro led and back then they used CT leds...is that not the case anymore?

#9 3 years ago

My solution for this is to lift the metal wires from the bulb out, wrap some electrical tape (cut down to size) around the base, then bend the wires back over. Now when you put it into the socket it will be extremely tight (hard to even get in), which means it should not pop out.

I generally have to do this with all spot lights.

#10 3 years ago

My solution was to put clear packing tape over the front of the spotlight. Haha

#11 3 years ago

Cgc puts a generous amount of hot glue between the bulb and reflector. So either that or the electrical tape trick and you shouldn't have to worry again

#12 3 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

My solution for this is to lift the metal wires from the bulb out, wrap some electrical tape (cut down to size) around the base, then bend the wires back over. Now when you put it into the socket it will be extremely tight (hard to even get in), which means it should not pop out.
I generally have to do this with all spot lights.

I do the same, but with pipe thread tape since it’s a little thinner.

#13 3 years ago

Unfortunately on some stern they cheaped out and used wedge base gi lights and this can happen. A piece of tape around the base usually fixes this.

#14 3 years ago
Quoted from frolic:

My solution for this is to lift the metal wires from the bulb out, wrap some electrical tape (cut down to size) around the base, then bend the wires back over. Now when you put it into the socket it will be extremely tight (hard to even get in), which means it should not pop out.
I generally have to do this with all spot lights.

Do what this guy suggests and dont fret. This is no biggie and very normal. Those wedge bulbs love popping out of the spotlights from vibrations. They just need to he secured better.

P.s. no need to replace them with another brand. That would be a waste of money and accomplishes noth8ng

#15 3 years ago
Quoted from bigd1979:

Unfortunately on some stern they cheaped out and used wedge base gi lights and this can happen. A piece of tape around the base usually fixes this.

I’ve never seen a spotlight with a bayonet base.

#16 3 years ago
Quoted from swampfire:

I’ve never seen a spotlight with a bayonet base.

Talking about gi lights as they can fall out also on the stern pins that used them.... at least my met and star t did. The spots tend to fall out the quickest .

#17 3 years ago

Replacing not necessary and think stock bulbs are from cointaker. Just follow one of the suggestions or just keep popping them back in when they fall out. Very common issue. All the vibrations and gravity work them loose.

#18 3 years ago

I just used a lot of hot glue and it worked great. Haven't fallen out since.

#19 3 years ago

Sockets and bulb bases can vary in production.
Glue, Glue Dots, Silicone or tape will all work.

I have been happy with this stuff, as I had a bunch.

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#20 3 years ago
Quoted from OLDPINGUY:

Sockets and bulb bases can vary in production.
Glue, Glue Dots, Silicone or tape will all work.
I have been happy with this stuff, as I had a bunch.

Art recommended Teflon tape for my ST spotlights and that worked well for the slightly narrower wedge bases.

#23 3 years ago

I also applied Virelands solution and it works great!

Another known “issue” with these spotlights is that they might turn a bit after a few games. I solved this with a tiny drop of loc-tite on the thread of the hex spacers and spotlight screws.

#24 3 years ago
Quoted from stoptap:

You could try gently bending the wires back and then wrapping a couple of turns of masking tape around the wedge. Then bend the wires back in place. Should grip better in the holder.

Yes, this works great. I’ve done this on several Stern machines.

#25 3 years ago
Quoted from PinMonk:

Unlike Pinball 2000, you can't see where there's a light out from the diagnostics. You just have to visually inspect for an empty socket. Check the slings and near the outlanes. Common areas the lights come out.
If it came from a spotlight, you can make sure they don't come out again by doing this:
https://www.pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/fixing-led-bulbs-flashers-that-fall-out-of-spotlights

Did exactly this. Worked perfectly. Thanks Vireland!

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