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Melted looking plastics

By pacmanretro

6 years ago


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    #1 6 years ago

    I thought I remembered something about this a long time ago, but can anybody help with explaining why I have some prewar plastics that look all shriveled and melted!?

    I thought the caps were just melted from heat, but I have a machine that has a lot of plastic all shriveled and melted looking...caps, bases, etc.

    Is it from heat? Age? Shrinkage?

    I really thought there were some articles out there about this old plastic problem, but couldn't find info....

    #2 6 years ago

    Generally old playfield plastics from before and including the 1940's, 1950's, and many years in 1960's. Should not be flattened by heating them, they will become more brittle and break into pieces. This info is on Pinside some where.

    #3 6 years ago

    I'll have to get a couple pics. In this situation, I mean like very early 40s plastics including bumper caps/bodys/skirts shriveled all up.

    I've come across a couple with bumper caps shrunk down and warped, but never entire assemblies like this.

    I thought there was a thing discussing the real early plastic issues, but in may have even been in a video or something, not on here....can't remember.

    #4 6 years ago

    For the playfield plastics, RyanClaytor has done a few reproduction. The EM Topic is titled, "RyanClaytor Plastics Available from PBR".

    For other plastics there is replacing them with new parts, if new ones are available. Then the new plastics will not be the same as the older ones. As they age, there is a marbling in the plastic that becomes more noticeable. Thing like, Ultra Violet exposure, solvents, solvents in older style playfield polishes, have done their damage. Lets not forget heat damage from the G.I. lamps.

    #5 6 years ago

    Here is a nasty example...maybe if it was from the wrong bulbs over a long time??

    Even the marbleized playfield inserts are warped!

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    #6 6 years ago

    I do remember something about old plastics from those time periods decomposing(?) over time, Shrinking, color change, And even putting off some kind of fume(?) or something that will corrode metal parts. Pocket and Wrist watch Plastic Crystals from that time period are a prime example of this! Not sure if the same type of plastics were used in pinball or not. Just saw the thread and kind of remembered something about it from working on watches as a hobby in the past.

    I would imagine that it applies to most plastic of the time? And UV and heat from the lights, mentioned already.... Maybe it all plays into what happened. Even on my couple of projects from the 80's and 90's , the plastics are brittle and break pretty easy.

    #7 6 years ago

    Looking at your photo, with out reading your comments. I would guess that that game sat in an open structure. Rusted metal, even under the playfield glass, heat warped plastics, do not think that a small bulb can do that. Is that pin from a more southern climate, near an ocean? Hopefully Pinball Resource has the correct new pop bumper parts.

    #8 6 years ago

    Old plastic from the 1940's & 1950's wasn't anywhere near the same as the plastics we know today. Most contained animal fat and other stuff not associated with modern plastic and most early plastics did odd things as it aged. I think it is more uncommon to find early machines with decent plastic parts than it is to find stuff with lots of issues. Or at least that has been my experience with earlier plastic stuff (pinball related or just other antiques with plastic parts).

    Cellulose Nitrate & Cellulose Acetate are two of many types of early plastic. You would be amazed at how quick some of that stuff goes up in flames if exposed to an open flame!

    #9 6 years ago
    Quoted from Darcy:

    Looking at your photo, with out reading your comments. I would guess that that game sat in an open structure. Rusted metal, even under the playfield glass, heat warped plastics, do not think that a small bulb can do that. Is that pin from a more southern climate, near an ocean? Hopefully Pinball Resource has the correct new pop bumper parts.

    Actually, you would probably be suprised for me to say...no!

    This machine came from a local area (midwest...chicago suburb) gentleman. He owned it for 30+ years and hadn't played it in 25+

    He had it in is garage for last 3 or 4 years....before that, I do not know.

    But, he said it "used to work fine" but that was 25+ years ago....he had no explanation about plastics at all.

    This is what lead me to believe it must be just breakdown of the plastics, sadly.

    The corrosion may be from sitting in garage...I am however very interested in joker2415 comment about fumes.

    Either way, I have very little hope of replacing soooo much plastic

    I really swear there was some info about these old pinball plastics breaking down....I remember a complaint about them turning into gummy mush almost even; just can't remember who talked about it...

    #10 6 years ago

    All I remember is something about the reaction going on in the plastic and age has some kind of reaction with metal. Or will corrode metal.
    Too many pins might have the direction with that on the Nitrate and Acetate. I have no clue... I'll try to find an article I read on it. And post a link here if I find it. Basically it decomposes or starts reacting or something. I just know an old plastic crystal on a pocket watch will destroy and corrode the metal in the watch from whatever happens to the plastic. It shrinks, starts turning color, etc.....

    ok..I'm just rambling...I'll go try to find the article...

    #11 6 years ago

    Here's a link that gives a really good description of what happens. This isn't the one I was looking for but will explain some until I find the other one. And I have no clue what type of plastic was used in pinballs. But the descriptions of what happens seem to match your pictures.

    https://www.nps.gov/museum/publications/conserveogram/08-04.pdf

    #12 6 years ago
    Quoted from Joker2415:

    Here's a link that gives a really good description of what happens. This isn't the one I was looking for but will explain some until I find the other one. And I have no clue what type of plastic was used in pinballs. But the descriptions of what happens seem to match your pictures.
    https://www.nps.gov/museum/publications/conserveogram/08-04.pdf

    Very interesting....and a couple of those sound very close (mentioned the marbeled plastic even).

    One mentioned radio plaatics too...the old plastic radios that crack real easy had already come to mind to me.

    #13 6 years ago

    I have a Mr and Mrs pacman. I finally got it working with a ton of help from an awesome member from pinside. Months of him helping me in PM's and threads. All the plastic drop targets looked great!! I took the drop targets apart, cleaned, touched up the paint on them, made them look almost new!!! After all of this? I broke most of them in one or two games from them being so brittle.

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