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Medieval Madness Mafia

By John0560

8 months ago


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#1 8 months ago

Whenever a game takes ovet the #1 rating in the top 100, the MMM quickly jumps on to bash it to defend their "title".

Next time you see a new game take the #1 spot, look at the ratings. Pay attention to the super low ratings, click on their profile and most likely that person owns MM. I think that this devalues the top 100 system with this bias.

Any thoughts?

#3 8 months ago

Yes

#4 8 months ago

No

#5 8 months ago

The current top 10 pinball machines from pinside ranking, I haven’t played 5 of them yet. In other words, this ranking system mean very little to me nowadays. I do understand I can custom the ranking criteria but what is the point here? Let’s those newer pins take the # 1 spot for a shot period of time. I am sure MM doesn’t mind.

#6 8 months ago
Quoted from John0560:

Whenever a game takes ovet the #1 rating in the top 100, the MMM quickly jumps on to bash it to defend their "title".

Next time you see a new game take the #1 spot, look at the ratings. Pay attention to the super low ratings, click on their profile and most likely that person owns MM. I think that this devalues the top 100 system with this bias.

Any thoughts?

ok, so if so many MM owners feel so passionately about their game staying number 1, this also says a lot about how awesome MM must be, right ?

#7 8 months ago

Hey there - as a MMRE owner I would not say this pin is #1 as my real fave is TZ so I would put it at #1.

All that being said the top 100 has always been skewed on the ratings as you only need 25 to get on the list which is not even close to a proper sampling.

What there should be IMO is an asterisk beside any game that doesn't have say 500 ratings. Once beyond that you can call it a big enough sampling to be somewhat legit.

Is Willy the # 1 game? I would say not, but hey that's the way Pinside has the system set so you have to take it as it is.

Just be careful with the MMM though, as you may wake up one day with a horse head

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#8 8 months ago

One thing I've realized with these multiple Ratings Threads: You guys care waaay more and pay way more attention to the rankings than I do.

#9 8 months ago

What game do you think should surpass it?

#10 8 months ago

Im not pointing towards whether something should pass it or not. Just pointing out that the rating is skewed when a rater gives a game a low score to push it down the charts. Give it a high score if you love the game, thats what the rating is for. But to bash scores down to keep your machine on top, kind of makes the chart more like a battle to stay on top.

#11 8 months ago

You can take the top 10-15 and probably say any of those could be #1 depending on the person.

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#12 8 months ago

The obsession with the "Top 100" in some circles is borderline neurotic at times, and I always thought it was about as useless as Rock and Roll HOF nominations.

Sure, you might be able to get a general idea regarding whether a given game is worth your time or not, but the arguing and hand-wringing about specific "chart" positions is just silly. Pinball is extremely subjective; play what you like, ratings and hive-mind opinions be damned!

#13 8 months ago
Quoted from John0560:

Whenever a game takes ovet the #1 rating in the top 100, the MMM quickly jumps on to bash it to defend their "title".
Next time you see a new game take the #1 spot, look at the ratings. Pay attention to the super low ratings, click on their profile and most likely that person owns MM. I think that this devalues the top 100 system with this bias.
Any thoughts?

How many Wonka CE reviews are from non-owners? Star Wars got to #1 as well- the ratings surely work.. Being an MMr owner, have to go write some reviews! Of my pins, MMr gets the least amount of play.

I’m also getting a Reddit sub forum together to get IJ back to #1!!

#14 8 months ago

Who gives a shit about top 100 anyways; get what you like the top 100 is a joke. It's like top 100 bands very subjective... IMO

#15 8 months ago
Quoted from woody76:

You can take the top 10-15 and probably say any of those could be #1 depending on the person.

Maybe even the top 30. Edit that... top 300. This is what is so awesome about pinball, there really is something for everyone!

#16 8 months ago

We need a Ratings System that allows many number 1's. Ten top tens, ten number ones. That way everybody can be number 1. They paid a lot of money and they need their machine to be number 1 so they can put it in the Ad "Number 1 highest rated pinball machine".
Everyone deserves to be prom queen, quarterback, most popular and every pinball machine deserves the chance to be number 1.

I have the #2 rated EM and still mystified how it got there.

#17 8 months ago
Quoted from Trogdor:

How many Wonka CE reviews are from non-owners? Star Wars got to #1 as well- the ratings surely work.. Being an MMr owner, have to go write some reviews! Of my pins, MMr gets the least amount of play.
I’m also getting a Reddit sub forum together to get IJ back to #1!!

IJ? Didn't you mean LZ?

#18 8 months ago

We may need a system that contains a work around for the #1 position, like the Twipy awards. Maybe we can ask everyone what their #1 game is, then sneak in a "What are your second and third choices for the #1 game?".

#19 8 months ago

The Medieval Madness Mafia does not exist. This is speculative at best. The problem is with the rating system not a conspiracy theory.

#20 8 months ago
Quoted from drummermike:

IJ? Didn't you mean LZ?

Haha!.. maybe.. You’re enjoying the LZ? I thought I was just a fanboy, but all the ramps and combos(the MUSIC)- it’s a great pin.
LZ Mafia unite!!

#21 8 months ago
Quoted from Rum-Z:

We may need a system that contains a work around for the #1 position, like the Twipy awards. Maybe we can ask everyone what their #1 game is, then sneak in a "What are your second and third choices for the #1 game?".

You mean the watered down TWIPPY's. The way they have the ratings now is subject to the second or third favorite actually being voted #1. Mind you the TWIPPY's are still better than that OTHER award show

#22 8 months ago
Quoted from John0560:

I think that this devalues the top 100 system with this bias.

I have some news which may come as a relief: the rankings never had any value to begin with. I've been a member for a decade, a collector for two decades, and I couldn't tell you what's number 1, top 10, etc. Only clicked on this thread because I thought it was about MM.

#23 8 months ago

yes I agree Mafia is better than Medieval Madness but I wasn't going to start a thread about it

#24 8 months ago

I can't take the list seriously because 6 of the top 10 games were released in the last few years. What are the chances? It's a fun diversion and lets people talk about the games they like.

#25 8 months ago

The top 5 pins of all time are
MM,
MM,
MM, MM, and MM.

#26 8 months ago

Who truly gives a flying f%ck about game ratings??

#27 8 months ago
Quoted from dsuperbee:

Who truly gives a flying f%ck about game ratings??

Evidently a lot of people, there has been 83 Posts in the past few weeks complaining about the ratings system.

Well, maybe not exactly 83. I lost count.

#28 8 months ago
Quoted from dsuperbee:

Who truly gives a flying f%ck about game ratings??

Everybody, apparently.

#29 8 months ago

Whats funny is you have a top 100 list but if it was truly a sample of the top 100 GOATs then why don't all our collections look like the top 10? Because we all can't agree on anything except we love to play pinball. My top 10 list includes several machines in my collection, but half of my collection is probably in somebody's Bottom 10 list... sometimes we end up owning exactly what we want, and at others, you end up with machines you really wouldn't keep if it was left solely up to yourself. I own a Pinbot and a Bride of Pinbot. If it was up to me, I would ditch the Bride, or at the very least go Bride 2.0, however, Pinbot will never leave our collection, and, due to nothing but nostalgia his Bride is not going anywhere either. We bought a MBrLE because, well, all time favorite '90's Bally/Williams. Sometimes your choices are made due to weird circumstances, like I own a Family Guy because Stern POTC sucks, and I hate the music on Stern Spiderman... which you would think has no bearing on why I own a Stern FG. But when faced with the choice of those 3 titles after the Flip'n Out tournament at Pinball Expo, (basically NIB Stern's used for 250 games in the tournament and then sold at a discount after the show,) out of the 3, FG was what didn't suck the most, to me. But then my collection is not as fluid as a lot of other peoples, because I don't ever get rid of a machine. Until we build the casita/RV garage and move the pins out there, the collection is stuck at 7 machines.

#31 8 months ago
Quoted from phil-lee:

Evidently a lot of people, there has been 83 Posts in the past few weeks complaining about the ratings system.
Well, maybe not exactly 83. I lost count.

i think this pinball rating thread is in the top 5 of all the pinball rating threads

#32 8 months ago

never forget

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#33 8 months ago

It's irrelevant anyway.

AFM is far better than MM

#34 8 months ago

Maybe we should all do LTG a solid and go rate Punchy the Clown up to no 1 where it belongs.

#35 8 months ago
Quoted from Trogdor:

Haha!.. maybe.. You’re enjoying the LZ? I thought I was just a fanboy, but all the ramps and combos(the MUSIC)- it’s a great pin.
LZ Mafia unite!!

I have my LZ dialed in. Super fast and great fun. Plus music from a favorite band. I have not played any of the others in my collection since LZ arrived. LZ Mafia rock on!

#36 8 months ago

Every pin now gets a participation trophy, even Thunderbirds.

#37 8 months ago

to the moon!!!!

#38 8 months ago

Can we stop beating the dead horse...

#39 8 months ago
Quoted from Rum-Z:

We may need a system that contains a work around for the #1 position, like the Twipy awards. Maybe we can ask everyone what their #1 game is, then sneak in a "What are your second and third choices for the #1 game?".

That would be a fun seperate list.I use the list for easy reference to pins so i can read the reviews before I buy a game unless i am sure i want one in particular .there is a bunch of useful information available all in one location.Theres a lot of value here but the popularity contest like any is ridipilus

#40 8 months ago

I *told* you! We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune! We're taking turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week.

But all the decisions *of* that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting

By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major....

#41 8 months ago

I've rated 30+ games so far, and rated Wizard of Oz the highest, but it's not my favourite. In fact, my ratings list doesn't match my personal top games at all.

#42 8 months ago
Quoted from ScreaminSauce:

I *told* you! We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune! We're taking turns to act as a sort of executive-officer-for-the-week.
But all the decisions *of* that officer 'ave to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting
By a simple majority, in the case of purely internal affairs, but by a two-thirds majority, in the case of more major....

I mean, if I went 'round saying I was an emperor just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me, they'd put me away!

#43 8 months ago

Prior to ~2010 or so, I thought this list was reliable:
https://www.ipdb.org/search.pl

The pinside top 100 is too heavily skewed by inflated scores from owners.

I really like the idea of a top 100, but since the community scoring is broken by top-selling games instead of the 'best games', perhaps pinside shift to a 'moderator top 100' and "users/owners top 100" but I'd also like to see EM, 80's SS 'ranking' by decade or generation (pre-DMD, DMD, LCD display or "post-Woz").

#44 8 months ago

I stopped looking at the top 100 a long time ago as it seemed too easy to manipulate.
Just had a quick look. I own 4 of the top 10 but my favourite pin sits at 145. So if everyone could just give F-14 tomcat a great rating and get it to number one I’ll be happy. Thanks.

#45 8 months ago
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#46 8 months ago

I have a thought. Don't pay any attention what so ever to the top 100 list. I personally have around 30 pins before MM or AFM or AF etc. that list has never represented what my favorites are and the fact some dickheads on pinside will actually give a game 1 just means its horseshit anyway.

#47 8 months ago

I'd like to see them implement a "favorites list" system.

Each person gets to list 20 games as being "a favorite".

Then you can rank the games by how many times they appear on someone's list.

The advantage to this is that one person can't screw with the rankings very much. The best/worst they can do is include or exclude a title on their list.

If you love MM, great...put it on your list. If you don't like it...leave it off. There won't be any of this "give it a 10 to try to move it up" or "give it a 1 to try to screw it over".

It also might reduce the "it's a new game so it must be great" factor. It will be harder to automatically include [newest release] on your favorites list if it means you have to remove one of your existing favorites from your list.

#48 8 months ago
Quoted from mbeardsley:

I'd like to see them implement a "favorites list" system.
Each person gets to list 20 games as being "a favorite".
Then you can rank the games by how many times they appear on someone's list.
The advantage to this is that one person can't screw with the rankings very much. The best/worst they can do is include or exclude a title on their list.
If you love MM, great...put it on your list. If you don't like it...leave it off. There won't be any of this "give it a 10 to try to move it up" or "give it a 1 to try to screw it over".
It also might reduce the "it's a new game so it must be great" factor. It will be harder to automatically include [newest release] on your favorites list if it means you have to remove one of your existing favorites from your list.

I love this idea. Also it would be cool to go to someone's profile and you could see their "Favourite 20 machines" cluster, and people would curate eclectic little mixes representative of their tastes. (FINALLY THE TX-SECTOR FANS WILL BE VINDICATED!)

It wouldn't replace the ratings system or the Top 100, but there could be a separate Favourites stats page. I think it would increase the social-interaction aspects of this site too, as I know I would definitely click on more profiles to check out other people's Favourite 20.

And to stress from your post: it wouldn't be a ranked "top 20", just a cluster of 20 favourites. No rank, just in or out.

#49 8 months ago

Let’s just give all of the machines a trophy for first place and then no feelings will be hurt. JK

#50 8 months ago
Quoted from hlaj78:

Let’s just give all of the machines a trophy for first place and then no feelings will be hurt. JK

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