Winner.

Do me a favor, there's untold decent Gottlieb games. Why don't you just buy EMs for simplicity and retheme.

I thought most games these days were built for all types of players. You know, for anyone to be able to play but actually have some depth so the game actually lasts more than 5 minutes. The next thing will be phantom flips and auto plunging so you can just sit and watch it play itself.

Fair. I wouldn't have gotten involved here but "Gottlieb sucked" thing shocked me a bit.

Let's take a game like F-14. Cheap to buy , simple rules and addictive, prime example. It's a difficult game to start with but if it was too easy it would be a waste of time playing it.

21 std leaf targets?, couple of em kickers, leds, few flashers, trough, kickback, yagov, plunger, vuk, spinner, single bumper, wireforms, 4 flippers, slings. Cheap!

I'm pretty confident all of these parts could be re-arranged into something new with an lcd/dmd for well under 4k. You don't need much more than that for a game to be fun.

If this was Blue Peter, we could give everybody these parts and say go. You'd be surprised what could be done with just these parts alone. Programming F-14 games rules would take a couple of days max. Display & sound is a different story but wouldn't take forever.

Lol you have done me a favor actually, feeling quite inspired for a new game now.