machine is a "jacks open"... when it should award a credit for a match, it doesn't... match number lights in the bg, and it's not "stuck" on the same number every time...

the credit unit works, i proved this by tripping the coin switches and it adds credits, and credits decrement when you start a game...

keeping in mind that the "10's" reel is the first score reel i ever rebuilt... is it possible that i put that together wrong? i thought i was careful when positioning everything, but if there is a way to put something together wrong, i can generally find it...

or should i start with the match unit?

chris

thanks for responding nick...

yup, jones plug for match is in the "on" position and has been cleaned and seated correctly (if this was off, would the match number even light in the bg? i don't know... )...

circuit board on the reel was cleaned and lubed when i rebuilt it...

nope, never seems to work... i've played it a bunch, so sooner or later, i would have hit one that worked if it was sporadic...

i'll check the solder joints when i get home... given the condition of some other ones i've found in the machine, that's always a possibility... i'll also review the schematic to see what switches should be there/actuated...

@nick... good thought, i'll check that when i get home...

@df... yup, i remember it well... i'll take a peek at that... i'll follow the sequence you posted, thanks for giving me the path...

@mike...

thanks, i'll check that too... i didn't touch it last night, i decided to actually play pinball for a change...

it was actually fun... reminded me why I started in this hobby in the first place...

nope, not yet... i've been spending all my time working on the magic city... i need to break away from that for a little while and solve this though...

ok, i poked around a bit and played a few games...

number matched, but didn't get awarded a credit...

however.... i got awarded a credit at the end of a subsequent game when the number did not match... something tells me i assembled something wrong...

i'll disassemble the 10's reel and see...

chris

thanks df...

ok, i'll take it apart and check that... one thing that i have definitely proven during my 50 years on this planet is that i can put something together wrong, even if they make it hard to do so...

^^^

cool thanks steve... i'm going to spend a bit of time with it after dinner and see what i see...

no rush... you get to work on your own projects every now and then rather than just holding the hands of us new guys...

@steve... cool, thanks! no need to apologize about the schematic... you are doing all the hard work for me (how's that juke coming?)...

while playing the game last night, i confirmed that when a "match" condition occurs, it doesn't award a credit... "80" lit on the bg, and 10's reel was at "80" as well...

looking at the schematic now... you are right, it's drawn slightly different, but the circuit itself is the same... there's another branch off the circuit for a 25 microfarad cap, shouldn't affect this (wonder what its there for though?) as it is "after" where the "add replay" branch is (but before the knocker)... i "know" that the "add replay"/cap/"knocker portion works, as it awards replays correctly based on scoring...

i'm thinking it's possible (probable?) i assembled the "fs relay disc" (labeled "f relay" on the schematic you posted) wrong (i had cleaned that at the same time i messed with the reel)... either got the disc on there "backwards" somehow, or the little thingie with contacts is backwards... since the number lights on the bg, it has to be completing the circuit (and all that comes before it, like the motor switch, etc.) for the "fs relay (00-90 unit)" portion (albeit possibly incorrectly)...

gonna fire up a fresh pot of coffee and take it apart and see what i see... that reel needs new springs anyway*, i've been putting off doing that since it's so much "fun" to play with these reels...

i need to figure out a way to test this other than playing ball #5 over and over and "hoping" to hit the match condition...

i'll report back...

* that is what was causing the "it doesn't work" condition when i got the machine, it was getting "stuck" on "9" when the reels were trying to reset on game startup... i cleaned it and shortened that spring enough to get it to reset, but it is still a bit sticky when going from "9" to "0" during gameplay... since i lost my "fix an em" virginity with that fix, it's very possible i did something incorrectly...

your generosity is unequalled...

yea, i think so... i *think* there may be two issues at work here...

i "may" be getting somewhere, although i'm not sure where that might be yet...

i dissassembled, cleaned, lubed and reassembled the fs relay... when manually stepping through the relay in a "game over" state, the following happens (btw, they could have made that thing smaller )...

relay position/light in glass

0 90
1 80
2 70
3 60
4 50
5 40
6 30
7 20
8 10
9 00

this may be "correct" behaviour, but that doesn't seem right to me... :confused: that's possible issue number 1...

i then put the game to ball 5, and put the relay in the correct "logical" position for it to match based on what i'm seeing above (10's score reel at "0", stepper at "9", displays "00" in bg), then advanced the ball count to go to a game over state... no love...

thought a bit more... put the game to ball 5, put the relay at "0" and reel at zero (bg light is "90" at that point) and forced the game over state... still no love...

those two paragraphs seem to indicate a possible separate issue (not completing the advance credit circuit)...

i will send you my crying towel when i'm done with it...

wow, now THAT must have been a fun shop job, cleaning out all those mechs... aw man, that sucks about the glass... i would have been very sad...

i hear you on the cost of the original glass... "cosmetic" parts for those things cost a fortune... i have a seeburg "trashcan" re-purposing project that has been going on for a long time, and one of the big things stopping me from completing it is that the two big plastics on the front cost 300 bucks... that's too painful...

i wanna see pics of it when you are done, i think old jukes are way cool...

@steve...

i can handle that... off to the hardware store to get 2 12v lights...

thanks!

a further update... i played a few games while waiting foe my wife to compile a shopping list...

light in bg is "10", number on score reels is "7"... and it awarded a match credit...

yea, that's a start...

yea, probably... and i'm guessing it's the one on the score reel... the one on the match unit does not appear as if it can be installed "wrong", but that doesn't mean i didn't figure out a way to do it wrong... it slides into a slot on the "axle" (for lack of a better term) of the stepper, and unless i'm missing something, it can't go on a "wrong" way (well... i suppose you could put it with the contact points "up" instead of "down")... the 2 contact points on that are opposed by 180 degrees, and since they only serve to connect a "number" to a "common", it wouldn't matter which way you slid it onto the axle...

WOOT!!!! success!!!

as df mentioned earlier, and mrbally reinforced, it was the wiper switch on the score reel... once i positioned it correctly, CRACK goes the knocker...

i ran it through every position on the 10's reel to test, and sure enough, using the table i posted above, it matched "correctly" to the bg number on every one...

i'm happy... thanks to everyone who chipped in to help me get this working... a "virtual" beer on me for all of you... i've said this quite a few times, but i could never have made this machine work without youse guys...

the machine must be happy too, as it let me roll it over twice during the test game i played to make sure i didn't hose something else up by fixing this...

that being said... i'm a curious soul... riddle me this batman...

why did they not just make "1" on the disk be "10" on the match, vs. what i laid out in that table ("8" on the disk means match on "10")? that seems rather odd to me?

yea, you know how much i like to desolder/resolder wires...

lol... actually, i sent that guy an email about that asking if he'd consider a cash offer (as well as the guy selling the soccer)... i'm hoping both bite, if they do, i'll go get that one for me and the soccer for bert...

the seven up guy should bite if he thinks about it for a few minutes, as my offer is essentially his price minus ebay and paypal fees... the soccer guy should as well if he thinks a bit about the actual condition of the machine...

york is coming soon...

@o-din...

that doesn't look like it's a real thrill to work on...

i think if i hadda solder all those connectors i'd go completely crazy...

ah, i gotcha...

play it!!!