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Mata Hari Club - EM and SS - All Are Welcome


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#35 2 years ago

I got mine a few weeks ago. Love it. I added a few color leds just to break up all the white playfield inserts. I also just got these awesome custom cards. It's in the dining room for now. Who needs a dining room anyway.

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#38 2 years ago
Quoted from indypinhead:

Nice score cards...where did you get those?

Contact PinCardz through Facebook. If you order them, make sure you let him know what bonus scores, balls etc you want or anything else you may need changed. He told me to spread the word.

https://www.facebook.com/PinCardz-116464558365193/

#40 2 years ago

Is there supposed to be some kind of sleeve or dome over this bulb under the top right arch? It's a pretty big hole for such a small bulb.

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#58 2 years ago

I haven't messed with changing the outlane wire guides. There's a couple different hole settings. But like others have said, raise those back legs and lower the front all the way down. This game can be very sluggish if it's not tilted up enough. I noticed a huge difference when I raised mine.

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#62 2 years ago
Quoted from zaza:

"The largest ever Mata Hari exhibition will open in the Museum of Friesland on 14 October 2017, one hundred years after her death."
14 oktober 2017 t/m 2 april 2018
https://www.friesmuseum.nl/en/see-and-do/exhibitions/mata-hari/

Interesting bit of history. Exactly 100 years ago today.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/10/15/i-am-ready-mata-hari-faced-a-firing-squad-for-spying-and-refused-a-blindfold/?utm_term=.870683ea4cf1

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#76 2 years ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

That's does it, I'm listing mine for 10k when I get finished with.
ebay.com link » Like

But it has new rubber rings and bumpers!

#83 2 years ago
Quoted from pinkid:

Anyone see the custom drop targets w/Mata's face on them? I think it was on a MH TNT Amusements restored. Be cooler w/Mata on 1 bank of targets and the Baron on the other. Or alternate them together. Nice either way........

That may have been my Mata Hari you saw on TNT. I got my machine from them and it has the Mata Hari face on the drop targets.

#85 2 years ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Let's see her! Todd does amazing work.

Coin door mod with pictures of Mata Hari and the Baron I did myself.

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#89 2 years ago
Quoted from dasvis:

Drilled a hole in the coin door? Why

No, I didn't do that. It came with that button already added. I don't like it but TNT didn't do it. Previous owner probably did it. I just added the photos to the coin slots.

#90 2 years ago
Quoted from Goonie:

I used to see those drop targets on Ebay all the time years ago. Perhaps it was them selling. I never bought them and kind of regret it. Would love to pick up a set if anyone tracks them down.
Edit - Hmm, your drops are different from what i saw on line. Nice!

According to Todd, the drop target stickers came from Jeff at Classic Arcades.

#91 2 years ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Looks so good! Love the coin door mods!

Thanks!

#93 2 years ago
Quoted from pinkid:

phillyfan64, that is one nice Mata Hari. I saw it on the TNT video. Very cool on the coin door mods. I have the promo pieces that came w/the CPR plastics set. I may try that one myself. MH is still one of, if not, the best looking games ever.

Thank you. For the coin door mod, I found the images online. I cropped and shrunk them down and printed them on glossy photo paper. It was a bit of trial and error to get the size. I printed 2 of each and doubled them up. That helped tone down a spot lighting effect the bulbs were causing. I have frosted leds behind them and it does shine through nicely without being too bright.

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#97 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Picked this up today.

Nice!

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#110 1 year ago

Awesome job!!!

#116 1 year ago
Quoted from Dono:

Have you ever thought of reducing the image somewhat to have them used as a replacement image for the boring red drop target bullseye image? I’m restoring an EM version and one of the things we discussed was creating our own DT image... yours would be cool for that purpose... 1st image on one bank, 2nd image on the opposite bank as one idea.

I have custom targets on mine but I like this idea even better!

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#120 1 year ago
Quoted from ktuhde:

I just picked up a Mata Hari SS and it needs a backglass replacement. Anyone have a reproduction or used good condition original they want to part ways with? Or can someone direct me to an online store that has reproductions in stock. Thanks, Kevin

I would email Shay. Just do a web search for Shay backglass. He makes the EM version. Maybe he has the solid state version and is not advertising it. There is also a decent looking one on eBay right now for $300.

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#125 1 year ago

Sorry I don't see that exact label in mine. I have these 2. One inside the cabinet above the varistor and the other inside the backbox above the transformer.

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#132 1 year ago

Made some minor color changes to the backglass. I saw a picture on the gameroom thread and I really liked it. Thanks for the idea eagle18. I think it looks better. I still stink at this game. I can’t break my 491,020!

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#134 1 year ago
Quoted from Edenecho:

Coul
D someone take a photo of the tilt bob on mh ss? I had no bob or the thingie holding the tilt bob, so added one from another game. But its not working so i suspect it needs a braid or somthing connected to it.
A photo of how it should be would be appreciated.

Does this help you?

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#135 1 year ago

Here’s a few more. Braided wire soldered to eye hook. Other end goes to the screw on the right where you see the blue wires with the orange stripes. On mine there is also one leg of a capacitor on that same screw. Other end of capacitor goes to screw behind the tilt bob. That screw behind the tilt bob also has a white wire with a black stripe ( I think it’s a black stripe). Other end of the white and black stripe wire goes to a tab on the roll tilt switch. (1st picture)

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#137 1 year ago

You're welcome. Let me know if you need any more pictures.

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#139 1 year ago
Quoted from Edenecho:

I dont have a braid nearby, could soldering a wire also be a solution?

Sorry I just saw this question. I’m sure soldering a wire would work just fine.

#140 1 year ago

Game flow seems really off on mine lately. Very short ball times. Terrible scores. Not sure if it’s me or if I need to tweak something. Any tips?

#142 1 year ago
Quoted from Edenecho:

It almost feels like a .. classic pinball game

Haha. It’s probably me!

#146 1 year ago
Quoted from eagle18:

The cure for that is... if she doesn’t act right for the first couple of balls by giving u stupid drains... reset it to another game. She will straighten out soon.

#154 1 year ago
Quoted from pinkid:

Adjust the steepness of your game via the leg levelers. Mine is set up pretty steep, but plays well. Depends on how you like it.

Thanks I'm going to try raising it up a little more.

#155 1 year ago
Quoted from GoodToBeDad:

Just finishing up my Mata Hari project. The cabinet was re-painted and the playfield has been clear coated. [quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Awesome job!

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#158 1 year ago

Quiet club lately. What can I do about this? Ball gets stuck. Legs up as high as they can go but I still only have about a 5.5 degree slope. I have new legs on the game and I think the new style with the nut welded into the leg, I actually lost some height. I recently installed these new correct tombstone style drop targets. Interesting is that the incorrect hooded type never had this issue.

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#160 1 year ago
Quoted from zombywoof:

Are the tops of the drops level with the playfield? They look a little low, but it may just be an optical.

Yeah that’s it they’re too low. I just checked. They’re about a 1/16” or so below the playfield. I don’t know if there’s any way to adjust that.

#162 1 year ago
Quoted from eagle18:

Mine will get a ball stuck there every so often. I can get it out without tilting it.

Mine will tilt every time trying to get it out of there. It looks like they might be adjustable by tweaking the leaf switches a little bit.

#163 1 year ago

Actually I don’t think it’s the leaf switches. Maybe adjusting the lift bar if possible? It seems like the little tab on the bottom of the targets should be bigger to raise the targets up more than it does now. I’m not sure what’s the best way to go about this. I’ll have to try a few different things.

#165 1 year ago

I found a fix in the Eight Ball Deluxe thread for the same issue. Looks like I need to add some kind of strip along the metal bracket where the targets rest on. I have some felt tape which should raise it enough to do the trick. I’ll report back with some pictures.

#167 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Put up over 700k the other day which felt like an hour long game. Anyone actually ever roll the score over on this game? Legitimately, without some kind of glass off, rubber banded out lane, tilt off trickery
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That’s awesome! I haven’t been able to break my 451,000!! I’ve gotten 250,000 on one ball and still can’t break it!

#170 1 year ago

Added some small led strips to light up the snakes.

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#175 1 year ago

Outlanes on this game are brutal. It also doesn’t help that my left flipper seems a little weak and I’m still not entirely happy with my slingshots.

As far as the drop target issue, foam tape is no good. It too soft and it caused some of the targets to bounce and score twice. Although it might be a way to break my lousy score

#180 1 year ago
Quoted from dasvis:

Put a second rubber behind the drop targets to solve this

Thanks but really I hate the double ring look. I tried thin strips of wood underneath instead of the felt tape. Switches still getting stuck and causing multiple scoring. Still working on it...

#185 1 year ago

What angle are owners playing this game at? I'm at about 4.5 degrees. The only way I see to really raise it to 6 or 6.5 is to put a board or something under the back legs. Those bolts can't really go any higher. Front legs all the way down except the nuts are still on the front legs. I guess I could take them out but that's still not going to be enough. I also have felt sliders under the back legs.

#187 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

When i did my resto i bought 3” bolts and im at 6 degrees with the back all the way up and the front all the way down.

Do you still have the hold nuts on the front legs or did you remove them? I also have aftermarket legs which have nuts welded to the inside of the legs. These are the new improved style because it gives the threads more to bite to but I think I lose some height with these. The bolt has to go further into the leg. I probably lose a 1/2” there even though they are 3” legs bolts. I just took the felt sliders off because they were getting deformed. I still have the rubber feet on all 4 legs.

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#188 1 year ago
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#191 1 year ago

Interesting. My floor is pretty level I just checked.

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#193 1 year ago

I saw 3 1/2” and I think even 4” leg bolts sold at the White Rose pinball show. I just don’t think it would be smart to go that route. I don’t want to make the game unstable.

#194 1 year ago

Took care of my height problem. My floor is actually dipped a little against the baseboard.

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#201 1 year ago
Quoted from Edenecho:

I am having issues with my MH droptargets. Often one or several target "pop out" of their... track when resetting, and gets stuck higher above the playfield than the rest. This makes it impossible to knock them down, and prevents from collecting the 50.000 points.
Anyone with same isdue, have a solution?

Post some pictures of the drop target assembly from under the playfield. It might be assembled incorrectly.

#204 1 year ago
Quoted from Edenecho:

Here are some photos of the cirrent "fault state. I can bring it down and take some photos if necesdary. It happens to several of them, not just this one.
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Nothing obvious from the pictures that I can see. Are your springs real weak or worn out? PBR has replacement springs. You are also using hooded targets instead of the correct tombstone style but that shouldn’t cause this issue. The other thing that comes to mind is maybe the reset bar is lifting the targets too high. That bar can be lowered by loosening the allen screws on each end and lowering the bar, then retighten the screws. There is some trial and error here because the bar being too low can cause the targets to drop down immediately after they are reset.

#205 1 year ago

You can try loosening this allen screw on each end and slightly lowering the reset bar. It could be pushing the targets up too high and causing them to pop out of their slots.

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#206 1 year ago

One other important thing to check. What kind and what size rubber are you using behind the drop targets? Are you sure the targets are not hitting the rubber on the way up? Looks awfully close in the picture.

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#268 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Im going to tinker around and just make my own topper, screw it.

I don’t like the CPR topper. I’d be interested to see what you come up with.

#275 1 year ago
Quoted from Nikrox2:

Well I took what "Phillyfan64" showed us with the LED's (although I just changed out the bulbs in the head, didn't add any strips, etc) and man did that make it pop! Love the look, to me it adds to the beauty. Photo's doesn't do it justice IMHO
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Looks fantastic!

#279 1 year ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

Looks good! Ive been thinking about putting one of those slowly color-changing LEDs behind the candelabra over Baron's left shoulder.

Definitely worth trying. I had a fire led in there but it just wasn’t bright enough.

#280 1 year ago
Quoted from Nikrox2:

Followed your lead there my friend, thanks for the ideas!

You’re welcome. I actually got the original color idea from eagle18 in the gameroom thread. The pinks/purples, reds and blues really makes it pop without being over the top.

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#315 1 year ago
Quoted from Nikrox2:

Replaced the outer lane switch cap’s as well. Funny thing the left pop quit working totally. So I clipped one end of the cap on it - then it’s working. And no phantom qhosting now. Weird ?
Now that we’re playing her more one of the flippers is getting a lil slow. So that sounds like the next item to work on.
I do get the occasional ball stuck in the saucer. Adjusted that switch as far as I can. 85% of the time it works. It just those other 15%. Ugh
Did I say I love this machine ? Lol

Ball getting stuck in saucer hole is a common issue with this game. I had the same problem with mine. I had to adjust the little fins. The fins also effect the direction of the ball when it’s ejected. If the ball sits too far forward the switch may not read it. Especially if the switch is dirty, the contacts are too far apart or backwards. My contacts were backwards. I turned them around for better contact. See this thread for more details.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mata-hari-ball-gets-stuck-in-saucer-hole

#317 1 year ago
Quoted from Nikrox2:

Ugh sorry. Replied to that post. Lol. Anywho - one of the fork legs is gone on mine. Broken off it seems. So raise the other up and over a bit maybe?

Try it. If it doesn’t work or makes it worse bend it back. Careful though. Bending it too much can cause them to snap off which is probably what happened to your missing fin. With only one fin the ball is definitely sitting too far forward in the hole. These switches do pop up on eBay or post an ad here. I would look to replace it eventually.

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#322 1 year ago

New mod.

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#324 1 year ago
Quoted from pinkid:

Very nice on the drop targets. Where from??

Thanks. I got them from Jeff at Classic Arcades. I had sent him the photos to use. They match my coin door mod. His tombstone targets do have a tiny lip on the back of top edge. I sanded that off to help prevent any Bally target "bricking."

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#326 1 year ago
Quoted from eagle18:

I got his drop targets for my EK. Evel doing a wheelie. Really like them but mine had the lips on them too. When I started sanding the first one it changed colors. So I stopped and had to paint the top white. I left the rest of them. Haven’t had any bricking problems. Did yours change colors after sanding?

No they didn't but I know exactly what you mean. I have a set of his regular bullseye targets. I was experimenting with putting mylar on them. This was really a test to see if I could put mylar on the custom targets. I didn't like the look and when I pulled the mylar off, the white came off with it. It ruined the target. He must have some kind of white coating on them which is unusual for plastic. I will not put any mylar on these custom targets. With the bullseye targets I was getting occasional bricking and that lip was also hitting the rubber on the way down, sometimes triggering the switch behind the targets. It would cause 10 extra points.

#328 1 year ago

Thanks. I'm really happy with how they turned out. He made them for me custom. I sent him the photos to use. He's not currently selling them but I told him I posted pictures in this forum and that he might get some orders. I'm fine with that. I like the fact that the bottoms are flat. They work better than targets that have the little extension tabs on the bottom.

#331 1 year ago

Be sure to ask him for the tombstone style since he does sell both styles. Also your games might behave differently and that top lip may not cause any issues. On mine, I felt it was necessary to sand it off. Originally the targets weren’t going to have any background color but I asked him to redo them with the color. Looks much better in my opinion.

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#343 11 months ago
Quoted from Dono:

I just got back from our library with some printouts of what we decided to go with... my wife did the photoshop work... decided to go with a bit of color but not fully like yours which look fantastic..this is for a full EM restore... thanks for providing the initial images!!![quoted image]

No problem. They look great! I’ll be watching for your restore pictures.

#352 11 months ago

mrm_4 did you ever come up with a topper idea?

#354 11 months ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

No I’ve been pulled away from Mata Hari a bit. Trying to finish up a flipperless restoration in time for the Ohio show and in the middle of doing that I came across a project Gold Wings I just wrapped up.
I’m glad you reminded me of the topper I need to revisit that soon.

No problem. I can’t bring myself to buy that CPR one. I’m just not crazy about it. I’ve emailed Laserific a couple times to see if they would consider making one but they never answered.

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#362 11 months ago
Quoted from Dono:

I’ve learned that Bally drop target banks suffer from an issue with the lock collars wearing down creating too much slop when resetting the bank resulting in one or more targets staying down... I replaced the far collars (opposite side from the reset coil) on each bank. Case closed, resets nice now... these are going into my Mata Hari EM!!! Collars and springs from Marco; PBR probably has them too.
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Targets look great. Good tip on the new collars.

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#382 9 months ago

Common problem. See this thread. Sometimes the linkage is worn out and needs to be replaced. I got lucky and fixed it by loosening the allen screws on the bushings and adjusting the lift bar. It’s a trial and error thing. I have one end of the bar slightly higher than the other because that’s what worked for me. If your solution seems to be working, leave it be.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/mata-hari-drop-targets-only-partially-resetting

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#387 6 months ago

I’ve always hated that red button being there. So until I can get another door skin...thanks Gatecrasher for the idea. It didn’t quite fit right so I bent the tabs backwards to make it work.
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#389 6 months ago

Looks beautiful! Congrats and welcome to the club. Your backglass even has the German writing on the dagger. Nice!

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#412 4 months ago
Quoted from Dono:

Moving at a fast pace on getting the EM cabinet done prior to York... waiting on some more Molotow cans to complete the body... head is done. I highly recommend these paints for those that dare a repaint job, especially EMs as the sheen is more of a tween-er between satin and semi-gloss. These paints go on smooth, cover really well, and dry quick. They do take some time to get used to, as you spray the paint very close to the surface... 4-8 inches is typical. Here are a few pics of the head that's drying and soon to get its second color after a very light wet sanding (if anyone has alternatives to prepping the base coat for the second color I'm all ears.
The Molotow Signal yellow is spot on as a replacement to the original yellow. Dick Blick and Bombing Science carry the cans.... something like 251 different colors, not too shabby; BS was a bit cheaper when I ordered.
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I got to play this machine and meet Don at the York show yesterday. Absolutely stunning looking machine. It plays so fast that now I have to tune mine up! Did you get the issues ironed out?

#414 4 months ago
Quoted from Dono:

Yes, I noticed the game couldn't complete a reset cycle, because the ball count unit wasn't resetting completely. Saw the issue right off the bat - the nylon cog sprocket wheel was binding inside the unit's metal shaft (have never seen a like issue in 25 years). Shaft was clean and lubed properly, so I filed the shaft to reduce friction. That didn't work but I did find from a vendor at the show an old step-up unit from a Bally Bingo with the same type of design. After some surgery, placed the bingo nylon shaft inside the problematic step up and there was no binding. Issue never returned and the game played fine for the rest of the show. Lucky that a vendor had a bally step up in his parts bin!

Glad to hear you got it sorted out.

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#418 4 months ago

Honest opinions. Too much bling? The coin inserts are staying. I’ve had them for a couple years. Not sure about the shooter. I think maybe it clashes.

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#422 4 months ago

Thanks guys. The whole idea was I wanted to put a picture of the real Mata Hari somewhere on or near the machine. I know CPR has a topper but I’m not sure I like it. It’s the same photo but I think the tiger is just over the top

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#423 4 months ago

By the way the red button has been removed since the earlier picture. Is there a different Bally sticker that was available for that year or was there no sticker?

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#425 4 months ago
Quoted from Dono:

From all the info I've gathered prior to doing my game, the Bally and Susan B Anthony coin door stickers both came out AFTER the Mata Hari Run... that includes the EM (4/78)and SS versions (5/78), so if you're a stickler about mimicking the stock look, that would bean a clean coin door / no sticker of any kind. Always up to the individual, I actually like both stickers, however IMO, if you're going to use a SBA sticker, at least one of the coin door inserts should match the sticker... e.g. (5 plays $1 dollar).
Have fun with it!

Thanks for the info Dono. I’m going to keep the sticker. I also went back to the pointed shooter, at least for now.

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#427 4 months ago
Quoted from mrm_4:

I’ll take the shooter if you get rid of it. I have the pointy shooter also but that can easily be placed in the cabinet for the next guy while I look at Margarehta

Thanks mrm_4. If I decide to sell it I’ll definitely let you know.

#431 4 months ago
Quoted from Dono:

Been looking at the CPR Topper... something about the photo they used just looks out of place with the rest of the game IMO... what does everyone else think?

It’s just way over the top with the tiger in my opinion. Maybe a picture of her on the the wall or the game flyer would work but that topper is just out there.

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From: $ 40.00
Cabinet - Other
Rock Custom Pinball
From: $ 155.00
$ 157.00
Wanted
Machine - Wanted
Santa Ana, CA

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