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Marketplace ads inline with threads? No. Uh-uh. Nope.


By Frax

2 years ago



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    Post #6 Announcement details Posted by ForceFlow (2 years ago)

    Post #32 Promotion box feature change announcement Posted by Xerico (2 years ago)


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    #1 2 years ago

    Please tell me there is a way to disable this, Robin? Why on earth should I be wasting your bandwidth and my screen space every time I open a thread now to get a full bar of ads for crap that I have no interest in?! If I want to buy a pin or parts, I'l go to the marketplace section. I don't need even MORE clutter on each page. Very disappointed by this change, and frankly, if it's intended to be permanent, and there's no user option to disable it, I won't be donating to Pinside as long as it's in place. We're already being charged fees for selling things on the marketplace, I really don't have any intention of buying much, if ANYTHING, off the marketplace, so I'm comfortable making my contribution to the site through a donation from my account and my wife's account.

    Hell, give me a one time 5 buck fee to remove this stupid feature and I'll probably pay it. But I'm NOT looking at these ads all day long! >_<

    #2 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    Please tell me there is a way to disable this, Robin? Why on earth should I be wasting your bandwidth and my screen space every time I open a thread now to get a full bar of ads for crap that I have no interest in?! If I want to buy a pin or parts, I'l go to the marketplace section. I don't need even MORE clutter on each page. Very disappointed by this change, and frankly, if it's intended to be permanent, and there's no user option to disable it, I won't be donating to Pinside as long as it's in place. We're already being charged fees for selling things on the marketplace, I really don't have any intention of buying much, if ANYTHING, off the marketplace, so I'm comfortable making my contribution to the site through a donation from my account and my wife's account.
    Hell, give me a one time 5 buck fee to remove this stupid feature and I'll probably pay it. But I'm NOT looking at these ads all day long! >_<

    You can pay to remove it. Become a plus member and change your settings.

    #3 2 years ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    You can pay to remove it. Become a plus member and change your settings.

    Where do you change it? I can't find it in settings.

    #4 2 years ago

    *edit* Removed because proven wrong below.

    #5 2 years ago
    Quoted from jgentry:

    Become a plus member

    No. I'm not going to be blackmailed into a recurring fee to not be annoyed by poor interface design. I suggested what it would be worth to me to remove them from my sight...5 bucks is my tolerance limit for being coerced on things like this. 30 bucks recurring? Not going to happen, and I won't use the other + features.

    On the flipside, I suppose I could just not donate from my wife's account anymore and balance it out that way if this will be the only way to remove these.

    Put them at the BOTTOM of the page for all I care, but I'm not going to just spur of the moment decide to buy a pin from Pittsburgh just because someone shoves the ad in my face!

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    #6 2 years ago

    Good grief, try not to get too worked up into a frenzy. We're all reasonable folks here.

    Check the announcement thread for details:

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/announcing-pinside-shops/

    1) The ads will now remain at the bottom of the page--this was changed about an hour ago, as the result of feedback.
    2) The option to disable is in your forum settings (click the gear icon).

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    #7 2 years ago

    I guess I'll look at these pins for sale in California....

    #8 2 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Good grief, try not to get too worked up into a frenzy. We're all reasonable folks here.
    Check the announcement thread for details:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/announcing-pinside-shops/
    1) The ads will now remain at the bottom of the page--this was changed about an hour ago, as the result of feedback.
    2) The option to disable is in your forum settings (click the gear icon).

    Thank you for this...I must have found it as you were posting this

    #9 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    30 bucks recurring? Not going to happen

    FWIW, I'm a Pinside Plus member, even though I've never made a recurring donation, and I turned the option off in my settings.

    #10 2 years ago
    Quoted from Razorbak86:

    FWIW, I'm a Pinside Plus member, even though I've never made a recurring donation, and I turned the option off in my settings.

    Reason I say recurring is because if you don't donate the same or more after the year is up, you'd lose access to those features...

    But anyways, seems irrelevant from above post. Hell, I will probably kick in an extra 10 bucks today just because this IS able to be disabled already. It's not like such intrusive things to be turned on by default. Pinside is typically one of the VERY VERY few places where interface design is done well, and to me, these ads are just an eyesore where they are at. Ugh! Thanks for the response and explanation, Forceflow.

    *edit* Or maybe I won't kick in 10 bucks, since apparently this DOES require +, which I have no interest in paying for since I don't need ANY of the other features of it.

    #11 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    It's not like such intrusive things to be turned on by default.

    They take up a small amount of space at the very bottom of the thread. How exactly is that "obtrusive"? Even if you leave them on, you can simply ignore them, and it will in no way effect your ability to navigate or participate on the site.

    #12 2 years ago

    For what Pinside provides for me, personally, I'm more than happy to donate. And if that donation allows to me delete various features, I'm even more happy.

    Done and done.

    #13 2 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Good grief, try not to get too worked up into a frenzy. We're all reasonable folks here.
    Check the announcement thread for details:
    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/announcing-pinside-shops/
    1) The ads will now remain at the bottom of the page--this was changed about an hour ago, as the result of feedback.
    2) The option to disable is in your forum settings (click the gear icon).

    I cannot turn it off, is it because I am not a plus member? sad face.

    #14 2 years ago

    I tried changing the setting ForceFlow showed above and it's greyed out and won't let me.

    #15 2 years ago
    Quoted from fishmanrob:

    I tried changing the setting ForceFlow showed above and it's greyed out and won't let me.

    Because you are not a + member. Being able to turn off the promo box is one of the benefits you get by donating at the plus level.

    #16 2 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    Because you are not a + member.

    super lame.

    #17 2 years ago

    Everything on the internet has ads. I'm pleasantly surprised this site has made it so long without 3rd party ads.

    #18 2 years ago

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    #19 2 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    They take up a small amount of space at the very bottom of the thread. How exactly is that "obtrusive"?

    I dunno, how exactly is your post not trolling? It's all a matter of opinion, right? You're going to have to do a lot better than just dismissing an opinion out of hand to make a point.

    I think they should be at the bottom of the PAGE, not stuck between the posts and reply box. I had half a thought to reinstall Proxomitron and just dump it out of the code myself (Which I see someone else did with a different method..) but if you just do that every time there's something irritating, then that neither helps the site get funded (I don't donate to places I find irritating...do you?) nor actually provides any contribution to the commmunity and site at all.

    I guess for people that only lurk and hardly ever post, it's NOT obtrusive, but for someone that posts frequently, and will see the thing 50-100 times a day in all it's neon pink pepto bismol glory, it IS. And after reading the announcement thread, I can clearly see there's plenty of other people that agreed with that, and some that weren't as bothered.

    Said it above, I'll say it again..I'm not going to be blackmailed into paying. I've tried to always keep my donations with my wife's account and mine current, but you want me to donate more, then find a feature that's compelling that I want to use, don't expect me to pay to push the gun that you pointed at my head away.

    #20 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    I dunno, how exactly is your post not trolling? It's all a matter of opinion, right?

    And I'm allowed to express my opinion as well. That hardly makes me a troll.

    #21 2 years ago
    Quoted from gweempose:

    And I'm allowed to express my opinion as well. That hardly makes me a troll.

    You are, and doing so doesn't make you a troll, BUT.... feigning ignorance of how someone might find the techincolor puke all over every thread now might find it obtrusive, in order to dismiss their opinion? Come on man. It's bright colors in the middle of a muted color scheme at the OTHER end of the warm/cool spectrum. It's "obtrusive" just by that fact alone. It was deliberately placed so that anyone that wants to make a post is GUARANTEED to have to see it. It's obtrusive *by design*. SMH...

    #22 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    You are, and doing so doesn't make you a troll, BUT.... feigning ignorance of how someone might find the techincolor puke all over every thread now might find it obtrusive, in order to dismiss their opinion? Come on man. It's bright colors in the middle of a muted color scheme at the OTHER end of the warm/cool spectrum. It's "obtrusive" just by that fact alone. It was deliberately placed so that anyone that wants to make a post is GUARANTEED to have to see it. It's obtrusive *by design*. SMH...

    Okay, I apologize if my post was dismissive, but I honestly don't find the ads to be obtrusive myself. I'm a very prolific poster, and I've been using the beta with the ads for weeks now. I think this makes me very qualified to give an opinion on the matter. They truly don't bother me at all.

    #23 2 years ago

    The whole point of having a paid membership is exclusivity & giving members extra features, bonus content. It is not, to have your members join a level of membership just to turn off annoying features. In my opinion it's no bueno & poor design.

    Let's just stop all of this non-sense with regard to pricing & switch the site over to a monthly fee base website. $5 a month or $50 a year. Live or die, you decide(Saw reference).

    #24 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    You are, and doing so doesn't make you a troll, BUT.... feigning ignorance of how someone might find the techincolor puke all over every thread now might find it obtrusive, in order to dismiss their opinion? Come on man. It's bright colors in the middle of a muted color scheme at the OTHER end of the warm/cool spectrum. It's "obtrusive" just by that fact alone. It was deliberately placed so that anyone that wants to make a post is GUARANTEED to have to see it. It's obtrusive *by design*. SMH...

    Robin is taking and responding to feedback being posting in the announcement thread. There have been some good and specific suggestions that have been made so far. A few changes have been implemented already based on that feedback. A couple more will likely be implemented fairly quickly. A few others will likely be discussed a bit more to figure out what the best approach might be.

    Every change--and I mean *every* change is met with resistance on this site. Take a breath, offer your suggestions, and rest assured that this is not the end of the world (or Pinside). So keep calm and carry on.

    These are pinball ads--they're not viagra ads, they're not irrelevant google adwords ads, they're not pop-ups--they are just hanging out at the bottom of the page based on what is in the marketplace and shop right now and it's all related to pinball.

    As you're probably aware, I post pretty frequently on the forums, and I don't find them too obtrusive. But, there are some things that I can see can be improved, so I imagine there will be changes in the next few days based on the feedback everyone is providing.

    I'm anticipating there will be additional items added to the shops soon now that the feature is live, like NVRAM, LEDs, diagnostic tools created by other members, mods created by other members, repaired boards, board repair services, and so on. For instance, the reset fix device that Kahr makes is in there right now, and I see it show up occasionally in the ad strip--I know that's a popular "quick fix" mod for WPC games. So items like those will likely make appearances in the ad strip soon.

    As for Pinside Plus, the option to hide these ads is not the only feature. There's a few other perks included.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/donate

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    #25 2 years ago
    Quoted from ForceFlow:

    Every change--and I mean *every* change is met with resistance on this site. Take a breath, offer your suggestions, and rest assured that this is not the end of the world (or Pinside). So keep calm and carry on.

    Well, yes, that's kind of to be expected, but I don't feel like I've ever really complained about any other change that's been made to the site, or felt as annoyed by any of them, even the ones I substantially don't agree with. Nor was I forced into subscribing to remove an annoying feature before.

    Feel free to lock this thread, I guess. I have my answer.

    #26 2 years ago

    I haven't noticed the ads yet, but I figured just about everyone these days has their brains wired to automatically ignore ads without even consciously seeing them. I think I'll just leave my heart grey from now on and "vote with my wallet".

    #27 2 years ago

    I find it insane where you post and or view pages 50-100X per day and donating less than 3 dollars a month to be a plus member is over the top?

    #28 2 years ago

    It's a profit deal...

    #29 2 years ago
    Quoted from shlockdoc:

    I find it insane where you post and or view pages 50-100X per day and donating less than 3 dollars a month to be a plus member is over the top?

    I'm sure that if you give me a rundown of things you won't pay for, I can probably find a few that are insane too. Can't tell you how many people I know that refuse to pay for a streaming music service like Spotify, but will pay 10-15 bucks for a downloaded album..that's insane to me. /shrug

    Here's an idea..I don't know if this is even possible, but I wonder if there's some way for Robin to expose how much bandwidth goes per-user? Like if we could have someplace to go in our profile that says "You average X bandwidth per month, click here to donate!" I might be motivated to donate more if I had access to that info, but again, my entire point is that would STILL not be a forced thing like these ads are.

    *Edit* LOL love the oh-so-impartial mod upvote gangbang

    #30 2 years ago
    Quoted from Frax:

    I'm sure that if you give me a rundown of things you won't pay for, I can probably find a few that are insane too. Can't tell you how many people I know that refuse to pay for a streaming music service like Spotify, but will pay 10-15 bucks for a downloaded album..that's insane to me. /shrug
    Here's an idea..I don't know if this is even possible, but I wonder if there's some way for Robin to expose how much bandwidth goes per-user? Like if we could have someplace to go in our profile that says "You average X bandwidth per month, click here to donate!" I might be motivated to donate more if I had access to that info, but again, my entire point is that would STILL not be a forced thing like these ads are.
    *Edit* LOL love the oh-so-impartial mod upvote gangbang

    This does not take into effect posts that have value. One of the reasons people come here is for repair advice. When I see a post for an issue that I have bumped into over the years I stop and help. So you would consider that "using bandwidth"? I would consider that contributing to the site. And you won't always even get a thumbs up for a good fix, but you do it just because.

    Edit: And then right below my post I see an advertisement for quarter slot earring. WTF. I avoid the marketplace like a disease and now it follows you. Yuk. What I will do now that it is in my face is end up making comments about all the stupid crap people sell.

    #31 2 years ago

    Desktop and mobile, for reference.

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    #32 2 years ago

    The ability to hide the promo box has been extended to include normal donors that do not currently meet Pinside+ requirements.
    If you have a red heart (current donor), you should now have the ability to hide the promo box. Please let us know if you have any issues.

    Here is the link to the announcement.

    https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/announcing-pinside-shops/page/3#post-3450303

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