Most manuals that are NOT on IPDB are not on there for a reason - copyright claim. I don't think PPS will allow Williams/Bally/Capcom and Steve Young won't allow Gottlieb...as they owned the copyrights and sell reprints.

You should not sell these manuals without their permissions.

For Gottlieb manuals, the answer is a clear "no".

For everybody else, there doesn't seem to be a big issue.

Here's what Rick at PPS said on the matter a while back: https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/planetary-pinball-pulls-a-gottlieb-llc/page/2#post-1858570

If the PDF scans of the manuals are better than what is available at IPDB (many of them are not perfect, are poor-quality, have missing pages, missing schematics, etc), I'd say see if you can submit them to IPDB.

What are you talking about? Almost every Bally/Williams manual is on IPDB, at least as far as solid state and DMD goes... I use them ALL THE TIME.

*Edit* Are you assuming he is going to charge for them? I assumed he meant to be downloadable for free since he didn't mean charging. I'm pretty sure Art knows if he was charging there would be licensing involved...

I don't know for sure...but I thought PPS site changed from being able to download to having to view them in a viewer, and then I looked for something that I thought was on IPDB previously and it was no longer there (but could be mistaken on that front).

I do think that Rick would probably have a problem with someone selling them...not so sure if they are out there for free.

I just checked the price on a original gottlieb manual, 3.00!

The viewer on the PPS site is totally worthless.. I do know that.

Yep, the viewer is a pain, but it's better than nothing.

Back when all the Gottlieb manuals were pulled from ipdb, they turned up on alt.binaries.e-book.technical

Stuff that gets posted anonymously to the Usenet Newsgroups can't be taken down, which is nice.

If those scans are 10 years old, they may not be that good. Just recently, I started to rescan all my drive in theater speaker manuals in color (where applicable) and in much higher resolution than what is out there now. I came out with much better scans and clear pictures.

If your DVD contains Gottlieb stuff, then enjoy the manuals and do not post them as the copyrights are enforced.

Recently, I had an original Gottlieb EM pinball schematic I wanted to get photocopied so I'd have one for myself. I took it to Kinko's/Fedex and they were all nice and warm and fuzzy about doing it until they unfolded it and saw the Gottlieb name on it. Then their attitude immediately changed and they threw me out! They wouldn't copy it.

If you wanted to make a few copies for your friends (send PM) There should be no problem. (no charge, of course, nod nod wink wink)

I am unfamiliar with alt.binaries.e-book.technical - how the heck do I view it? search it?!

The Usenet Newsgroups were around before there was a Web.

Check with your internet provider and see if they provide Usenet service, or if you know anybody with a university internet account, they always have Usenet.

For text only groups you can usually just use Google to read them (like https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rec.games.pinball) but for the Binaries groups (with giant "attachments" like movies, manuals, games, mp3s...) you will want actual Usenet service like Newsguy.

http://newsguy.com/

I am normally pretty savvy with these type of things... Clipboard01.jpg

Doubt you'll find any old manuals on Newsguy as it is unlikely anyone has posted manuals there in the past three years. More likely to post to IPDB or other sites instead.

"Retention
Retention refers to the number of days that an article or file will be available to you on a news server. We continually increase our capacity to deliver some of the best retention around! Currently 900+ days in binary newsgroups & several years in text groups!"

viperrwk

I have copied a few schematics for myself from my local Kinkos/Fed Ex in case I could help someone with a repair issue. Every time they were very helpful to assist and it's basically self-service where I go.

Try another similar location/company if you can find one Ken!

There is an awesome torrent actually available with a good number of manuals in them (maybe all) Idk how old the scans are, but the torrent I may or may not have grabbed looks great and is readable.

I would personally supply the info, but IPDB and other sources have it so not sure if it's worth any sort of headache

If you sell them, you will go directly to jail.

Typically, you'll get a DMCA or C&D notice first. If you comply with the take-down request, then that's usually the end of it. If not, that's when lawyers step in. There is no "direct to jail" option.

Gottlieb C&D on IPDB:

http://ipdb.org/gottlieb_cease.html

viperrwk

Can he at least pass Go? Maybe collect $200 to help with bail?

It would be nice if the old manuals for out of production games could be had for free, but where there is money still to be made, there is a lawyer hired to enforce the copyrights.

Heh, what are laserdisc player manuals doing in there? I recognize some of those model numbers.

However, those scans are pretty good, actually. It's probably worthwhile for someone to go through them. Maybe even break the files up into teams so it doesn't all fall to one person. I'm sure it's quite a massive mountain of material.

Upload the whole thing to MEGA (up to 50gb).

PM the link to a few cool people.

Let the cool people sort it out and re-up it.

https://mega.co.nz/