Yeah, it's literally the meaning. PM=Private Message

I also believe that reputation is paramount, however I will not be abused by anyone, and in this case I did try my best to rectify the situation until the customer decided to not communicate and got personal about things. I am not trying to bad mouth him at all. Sometimes you just cant make someone happy, and in this case I do believe that the statement applies very well. Instead of communicating to resolve the concerns amicably, the customer decided to slander someone that he clearly does not know. I am still willing to work with the customer. He has my phone number, and I am not hostile towards him at all.
Obviously, with his response a few replies back, he feels that he needs to make an enemy out of somebody that honestly does not want or need that in his life. I did not make it personal. I did not try to affect his livelihood, or get personal about things. I clearly showed that I wanted to try to make him happy even after he pretty much treated me worst than i have been treated by a customer in over 30 years. I totally understand that sometimes people have bad days , etc. It has been probably 2 months now, and I was hoping that he was still not acting as if I was hostile and not willing to work with him to make him happy.

Bump .. let keep this going

get a life!

Looks like I did not make a friend today .. I’ll work on getting a life .. but I do find this rather amusing.: when you take advantage of others it’s entertaining to be publicly skewed

Bump

Yikes!!! Bad connectors?

Damm, Missed that. WTF.

Bump

Bump .. it’s April fools

I think your point has been made.

Bump ?

Im doing just fine John. Im moving my machines to a larger location; so that I can have a bigger selection. My next spot will be a large showroom, pay to play, mod shop, video game store, and Esports arena. You have been a total jerk, ignored my attempts to rectify any issues you had, and I tried my best to make you happy. You have for some reason decided that I am your enemy. If you continue to try to wrongly slander me; and try to take away my lively hood, I will eventually show up at your job and make you very unhappy. It is time that you stopped this. Even in this thread , you said that the machine was nice, and you told the delivery guy that it was even better than expected. I honored a typo and gave you the game at my cost, because you started complaining and accusing me of being a scammer, and then you point at a listing at the proper price and want what was included at the correct price. I sent you several videos, and you watched enough video to know exactly what you would be getting, because I had told you that I would not have a chance to go through it if I delivered it when you wanted... I am asking you as a gentleman, and someone that does not look back at small issues and center my life around trying to financial hurt someone that does not deserve it. You do not know me from Jesus. We have never met. I am asking you to please stop what you are doing. You will eventually cost me money, and then it will be my turn to return the. favor. Up until now, I have taken the high road. I can drive to your job within 2 hours, and do it every day. I am asking you kindly to give it up.
Christ man, i had a pinsider steal a $6000 deposit from me recently, and I did not bad mouth him on here, and I am still trying to warn people from buying anything from him without hurting his job and family. Please stop this. You did not lose a dime on the deal. You know this. You are perhaps someone that needs control all of the time. If you had not ignored my attempts to make you happy and instead chosen to bad mouth me, I would still be offering you a refund. Instead, you slander me constantly as if I have hurt you so deeply. Please get a life and move on ok. This is the last time that I am asking nicely. I will not say it again. Stop while you are ahead, please.

Since you have been making everyones eyes bleed now for a couple months, why dont we let the people on this thread pick a charity, and we each donate $1,000 to it in their names to resolve this thing in a good way? What do you say? Be a better man and stop acting so negatively towards a guy that you are completely wrong about ? I have never met you. I prefer to not have one more person that I dislike in this world, and that list can be counted on one hand.
Manny

You should take this post down. Im in business, have pain in the ass customers--you're making it worse by threatening. Up until this, it was kind of a he said/she said. I would've been willing to give it a shot with you if you had a game I liked. At this point, the threats aren't a good look and I'd avoid buying from you at all costs

Bump .. lol this is so funny

Your refund would have been in gift cards!
Lol

Manny bucks!

What’s this all about - can I get the Cliff Notes??

Cliff notes won’t do it justice…I’m holding out hope for a Pinfest cage match

John and Manny you have both spent WAY more time on Pinside than it would take to return and refund the game. Manny, you have a business and reputation to worry about. John clearly has more free time than he admits (could have picked up this game instead of hours of posting and sabotaging your other ads).
But Manny you took the refund off the table and then resorted to threats. Bad move. Now you have to eat crow. Go pick up the game, give John a full cash refund, put the damn LEDs and new rubbers in it, and sell it to someone else for $1000 more - pick up only.

Sorry, but I had to chime in. People misstating things gets on my nerves, and it’s misleading.

I don’t have a horse in the race here, but I do read. The seller took the refund off the table, not the buyer.

So John, put that crow back in the freezer for another time.

Offering a “store credit” to somebody who no longer wishes to do business with you is essentially useless to a buyer. The seller benefits though, because chances are they get to keep the money and they will never hear from the buyer again. So although an option, not an enticing one to a buyer.

Lastly, posting in a public forum truthfully about a “bad” transaction is acceptable, although one party may not like it, but certainly not illegal. Threatening repeatedly to show up at someone’s place of employment, however, with an implication of potential confrontation and/or violence, could be construed as illegal.

I had offered (for a very reasonable price) to pick up the game from the buyer, and deliver it back to the seller for the full refund. I had spoken with both parties to the transaction about a month ago.

However, it is my understanding that no refund offer was forthcoming.

My offer to do so still stands.

After reading this thread when it was first posted, I went down the Pinside forum rabbithole a bit to research Lights Out, as it does appear frequently on “for sale” groups. This quote is from a 6 year old thread and I’m assuming this partnership has dissolved?

I’m assuming this partnership is no longer active?

Yes, it only lasted briefly and ended back then. Many people in the hobby know the circumstances of my involvement, and the path it ultimately took. I have not been involved or associated with Lights Out or Manny for several years.

I know John pretty well personally and I have done several transactions with him, without any issue. John reached out to me to simply see if I was willing to transport a game a while back, and I was trying to assist him with facilitating a resolution.

Thank you. A lot of comments from people in this thread that have not had any involvement with either party so it’s good to get some perspective

Good news travels fast .. bad new travels faster ..

Sorry. I mixed up the name of seller in one spot. I have edited the post. I did mean that Manny should go pick up the game. Sorry John. I intended to support you but switched name in one spot. My bad.

Why is this titled Taxi upside the head - I’m confused

If Taxi was a pinball made in modern times would be called “Uber”?

What was the last thing you said prior to Manny saying that?

I have read these posts. It’s obvious the seller was wrong. Manny why not just make good with the purchaser and move on? So much wasted time and unnecessary posting over a small matter. Settle up for costs owed so buyer and seller can work things out and close the thread down. I’m sure future business is of more importance. Why dwell in the past?

I’m guessing that he can’t afford to do the right thing.

It is sad that people post negative comments about people and transactions that they do not know anything about. I did originally offer John a " Cash " refund, however instead of returning my phone call, or communicating with me; he decided to bash me. Although it might be " legal" to do that, it. does not make it right. I have not done one thing to John. John had requested and received several videos of the game being played prior to purchasing it. Although I am sure Colson is trying to be neutral in this matter, he dose not have all of the facts. John was supposed to pick up the machine, but instead he wanted the machine as fast as possible, so I did explain to him that I did not have a chance to go through the machine and make sure it was ok. As I stated before; I have never said no to a customer's request. John is the one that decided to go nuts rather than return my call ( I actually did apologize for my part in the conversation when things got ridiculously out of hand on both sides and communicated my desire to resolve the situation), and John proceeded to flag my advertising, negatively post everywhere possible, and continue with this thread. What is the value lost to me for his overreaction ? John had decided to cause damage to me in every way possible rather than simply calling me back. At this point, I get bashed by people that do not know me, John gets to bad mouth me for months when he is the one that would not communicate.I am supposed to pay someone to go pick it up, and refund him. How do I know that this guy who is obviously very spiteful, and has way too much time to waste is not going to snip a few wires here or there ? I do not have an issue taking the machine back and giving him his cash back. However, how is he going to reverse the damage that he has caused to me ? If he had just returned my phone call instead of going about this personal campaign to hurt me financially; this would have been resolved months ago. I am willing to give this person a refund, split the cost to get the game returned here with a guarantee from him that he has not done anything to the game and that it is still functioning as it was. I do however need to know how John is going to rectify the damage that he has caused me by ignoring my attempts to rectify the situation, and jumping the gun on bashing me, and going quite a bit overboard in doing so. I did not deserve this. I know that I am not the first to have issues with this guy. He chose this route. I am willing to take the machine back and give him his cash back for the machine. I would like to know what John is going to do to fix the damage that he has caused. I appreciate Colson trying to help, however I am pretty sure what John has done did cross the line. He flagged dozens of ads(for reasons such as promoting illegal gambling, and illegal sales tactics etc... not true either way) on several websites, and created fake facebook accounts to post negative comments on ads that I actually paid for. He continues to do so. I'll take the game back and give him a refund. I need to know how John is going to correct his error in judgement, and reverse the damage that he has done.

Things should never get personal as they did in this case. Colson works with lawyers all day, so his viewpoint is understandable, but the world was much better and safer place before lawyers advertised all over the place and absolutely ruined everything that they could get their hands on. You never see a seller bashing a customer on here, because the seller has something to lose, and the customer does not. So, a one way bash fest is extremely unfair, and more so when it is not warranted. Trying to destroy someones source of income over a small dispute is flat out wrong, and it is making things personal. I refrained from doing the same, because I am in no way spiteful, and would never want to take bread off of someones table.

Perhaps a donation to the local SPCA; which I will match, and some kind of action to repair some of the damage that he has caused. A real apology would be nice as well. I already apologized on his voicemail on the same day that the argument occurred on, which was the call that I referred to earlier in this post, and the same call that was ignored by John.

Thank you to everyone who had to read this nonsense. It should never happen between adults. It could have been avoided, and I do accept responsibility for my part for foolishly delivering a machine without going through it first(regardless of how much the customer wants it), and lowering myself to the level needed to take part in the argument that took place between John and myself.

I surely have learned a lot from this instance. Im once again offering him his cash back, and would like to know what actions John is going to take to fix this situation as well.
Manny

John and Manny you have both spent WAY more time on Pinside than it would take to return and refund the game. Manny, you have a business and reputation to worry about. John clearly has more free time than he admits (could have picked up this game instead of hours of posting and sabotaging your other ads).
But Manny you took the refund off the table and then resorted to threats. Bad move. Now you have to eat crow. Go pick up the game, give John a full cash refund, put the damn LEDs and new rubbers in it, and sell it to someone else for $1000 more - pick up only.</blockquote

The refund was taken off of the table because this guy would not answer his phone and communicate, and instead decided to bash me for 2 months, flag my ad listings on several sites, and post negative things about me without any reason to. From the get go I offered him a refund. I have now offered it to him again publicly. He has agreed to have it driven down to me. I would need to verify that it is as it was of coarse, and I would agree to refund at that time.
My question is, what is he going to do to rectify the damage that he caused me? How do we reverse that part of it since he jumped the gun and got so damned hostile. He is still hostile, and he is the one that made it personal. His relentless attacks on multiple fronts have cost me money. Obviously, he is used to getting his way, and when he does not, he reacts inappropriately. I called him back an hour after we had an argument , and he would not communicate, so I left him a message apologizing for my part in a stupid two way argument and expressed my interest in resolving the matter amicably. The next thing I know, he is posting negative things on every ad I place(many of them I paid for), flagging my ads for untrue reasons, and relentlessly bashing me on this site. He wanted the game early. He had several videos provided to him by me. He was told that I had not gotten to the game yet, and he wanted it anyway. I even honored a typo and sold the game to him at my cost. What else could I do ? Im not going to sit back forever while this guy harasses me. I have once again offered him a refund as long as he does the right thing on his side.