Quoted from vid1900:

SWDE was quickly removed from Stern's site once they realized they did not have the rights to release it, wasn't it?

Quoted from vid1900:

I looked, but did not see any code I could download.

Quoted from markmon:

Star Trek needs a code update. The game (pro) feels polished and complete. But the rules are most not great. This will never be fixed in my opinion. The game needs a complete rewrite to get there. This is not a discussion of code completion however. When the code is completed, it still won't be great.

Quoted from Arcade:

I agree, they will deliver.
But the timetable leaves something to be desired.

Quoted from Arcade:

Congrats on your purchase.
I own one and love it.
Just drumming my fingers every day waiting for it to get better.

Quoted from vid1900:

I am a large software group.
I think you are taking this all too personally.

Quoted from Crash:

Which charity is the money going to?

Quoted from Rarehero:

Ritchie's not programming the game. He said code was coming the week after Expo in October '14. It's now March '15. The game came out December '13 and there are STILL features on that Premium that do absolutely NOTHING. You just took a very expensive risk despite knowing the reality of the situation. Odd, but it's your money.

Quoted from chessiv:

And another person perpetuates the issue. The question is how soon will he bitch about the code not being done?

Quoted from gweempose:

Actually, it's been almost a full year. V1.5 was released on 4-6-14. Simply inexcusable.

Quoted from metallik:

So 330 days x 800 LEs times God-knows how many Klingon multiballs played since then... assuming the laser fails to shut off after around half of those.. that's a whole lotta unnecessary wear and tear on the laser assemblies, not to mention the fact it basically SPOILS THE ONE COOL EXCLUSIVE ITEM IN THE LE THAT CURRENTLY WORKS AT ALL! For a freakin YEAR!
Yea Stern, you suck. I guess I could install the older version, but that one sucks in different ways.
Robin, feel free to forward to Gary, Steve and anyone else over there who will listen.

Quoted from musketd:

Just unbelieveable that they have over 6 programmers and the code is this bad.

Quoted from Grinder901:

From the lack of coding, high prices, bugs, and facebook deletions, it's a real wonder they are still in business.

Quoted from Bond_Gadget_007:

Just be prepared that one possible explination is that the new Spike system is all that Stern cares about. They might not be looking backwards at supporting ANY past games at this point (Twd, St), but they are not sure how to communicate this to the public. So they remain silent. This may explain a lot. Hope u guys like nothin but lots of wrestling code updates on Spike! Spike buried all our favorite titles

Quoted from Bond_Gadget_007:

I'm not saying the programmers want to but if company policy says Spike is our future we must draw the line somewhere, then programmers have no choice but to comply going forward and cut all ties to older/obsolete software. Ah well, At least Star Wars 2015 is on Spike system. I suggest customers look only forward from now on

Quoted from jfh:

Speak faster.

Quoted from jawjaw:

Unused flashers is hardly a "bug" and definitely not a priority to stop production on new games to address. If Stern puts a giant monkey with a flasher up it's butt in every game and doesn't use it, that's their choice. You can call it a bad choice, a bug, bad business, or whatever. Expectations are just that - expectations. Putting down $8k or $9k for a LE does not grant you those expectations. You buy the product Stern is selling good or bad.

Quoted from docquest:

I'm hoping Steve talks about progress on the ST code at the TPF in a few weeks. About 3-4 months ago he mentioned it at the DPO in Europe and stated the game was broken as is. I still like playing it as is but I wish they would finish it.

Quoted from fosaisu:

I have to agree with you, the mods should consistently boot you from threads!

Quoted from Max_Badazz:

let's see if that happens............ Obama and Christie walk into a bar....

Quoted from Aurich:

I don't know when it's coming out, and I haven't asked or anything, but I doubt they'd be doing such public beta testing if they weren't thinking soon.
And Stern reads pinside, believe that, so don't worry if you can't post on Facebook. Frankly your message is more likely to be seen in a Star Trek thread here than in a Facebook post.

Quoted from Rob_G:

I think their plan after the august 2013 release was at least 2 more updates. They do have a lot to fix so I could see it maybe happening this way.
Rob

Quoted from Kiwipinhead:

They said on PAPA tv
ST
Metallica
AC/DC
Walking Dead
CSI
all got new code

Quoted from 85vett:

Love it. You should add the same for 5 year mission in ST. All the code talk around that potential update and it sounds like it still has no dots.

Quoted from Robotoes:

Operators are still their main market.

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

How well a game is supported code wise by Stern appears to be tied directly to a games sales numbers. That's bad business in my opinion. If you are going to charge people $5k-$8k for a pinball machine of all things then guarantee a deep and complete ruleset regardless of a games sale numbers.
Also, the games that are not supported as well code wise appear to be those that lack a the licenses original voices and music. Stern should not make a game where they cannot get the themes original voices, sound, music, etc. If I'm going to drop $5k-$8k on a licensed theme pinball machine I want to feel like I'm in the themes world while playing the game...random voice actors that don't sound like the themes characters don't do that.
A big reason why LOTR, MET, ACDC, TSPP and ST are so well liked is because they feature actual sounds from the license. Take that away and none of those games wouldn't have sold nearly as well or be ranked where they are today.

Quoted from trickpony:

Well, it isn't really Nimoy's voice on ST is it?

Quoted from BC_Gambit:

Cue desperate "but what I really meant to say is..." in 3...2...1...

Quoted from Arcade:

We may still see a code update. Just not near the level that Lyman would want it to be.
Sure glad I chose to purchase a Star Trek and not TWD now.

Quoted from erak:

To all the posts saying Stern has turned a new leaf regarding code...
I say, nothing has changed. ST still has bugs, TWD, Avengers, ACDC, Xmen are all still incomplete or have bugd.
But I bet it will in a few months when their next game doesn't sell well. And they have to budget for the overhead of their new facility.
Along with WWE sales being extremely low. As well as a few other past pins not being finished and poor sales.
I think the expense of their move and bad sales (due to their own misguided licences and code issues, and customer disappointment)
Are going to come back and bite them in the @$#.
I think collectors and operators are finally starting to realize that they are paying more for a cheaper made product with less features and more code delays than they did a few years ago.
I hope this trend will not continue. If it does, I think Stern saying pinball is making a comeback so lets expand will
Be a huge mistake on their part.
Its unfortunate, but I honestly think Stern as a company is doing more to hurt pinball than to help it (at the moment)
At least in customers and collectors eyes. Most talk, gossip, opinions are all negative currently
A lack of trust that games will get finished, a lack of quality. And a increased price.
Employees calling them out publicly on code.
And customers calling them out on code.
I know people will disagree, and argue that Stern is pinballs greatest asset.
However a lot of owners are finished with how they operate. I talk to a local operator and he will not purchase any new sterns. As he told me " because they are overpriced, constantly breaking cheap pieces of $@#%!. With garbage themes."
Stern has no one to blame for this but themselves.

Quoted from erak:

For all the posts saying that people are complaining that ST is too complicated...
You are taking things too literally.
Its not too complicated for collectors or pinheads. I think its one of the best recent games. With deep rules.
But for my friends that are not into pinball. ( they Like it, but dont own any) They get lost on what needs to be done to get the higher scores. They think it looks and sounds awesome and are amazed at what it does, watching when I play it.
They gravitate to IM and my pinbot. As they are simple to understand.
No one is complaining that ST is too complex. And needs to be dumbed down.
Just stating the facts that there is so much to do and so many ways to do it that it is hard for new players to grasp.
And no one is saying its a bad thing. If they were more into the rules than just getting hitting the ship. They would like it even more.
The operator I know just doesn't like the fact that he has to keep moving it from location to location so it keeps earning. As it slows down after a bit and the older pins with less difficulty keep earning, or earn more.
He thinks its because of the difficulty it poses to non pinball people.

Quoted from QuarterGrabber:

Enough with this nonsense. There are tons of other games to "polish" before ST. What gives it up most priority?
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Quoted from markmon:

Come on. Star Trek is awesome now.

Yes. Like I own it. Star Trek is in great shape. It no longer warrants complaints. It's comments like this that hurt this movement.

Quoted from Arcade:

I find it crazy that some people say one game does not need new code because their game has not been updated in awhile.
Any new code is good for everybody. I could care less if it is for game A,B,or C.