#wheresthecode

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#wheresthecode


By flashinstinct

4 years ago



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#1 4 years ago

////*TWITTER /// FACEBOOK */////
https://twitter.com/whereisthecode
https://www.facebook.com/wheresthecode/

**//**

Ok folks..... I've had enough of the where's the code, when is Stern going to release new code.....can we do something about this code....Can we fix this code.... all these threads achieve nothing but getting a lot of people on pinside annoyed, others get mad, other bash each other and in the long run nothing gets done.

So as of today.....Mark your calendars and do something productive....on January 31st I vow to post on Sterns facebook page and twitter feeds with something about finishing the code. And I encourage everyone to do the same. Mine will read something to the effect of:

"You keep releasing games but not finishing the code? What gives?? If you can create a new platform and 3 new games a year why can't you polish the code?"

I don't hold a particular hatred for Stern as I wait until the code is polished before buying there games but I'll jump on board with everyone to make Stern a bit more accountable.

If everyone that is pissed off is willing to get banned from Stern's facebook page for a while I encourage you to do this and get it over with. This will keep the folks at Stern busy for a while and it will get the message across.

In turn, this will reduce the amount of bitching, whining and hatred on this forum and will clear space for more productive posts.

SO MARK YOUR CALENDARS AND POST ON JAN 31!!!

Post edited by moderator: Changed ALL CAPS title to proper caps.

#2 4 years ago

They will just be deleted. Then banned.

#3 4 years ago
Quoted from cody_chunn:

They will just be deleted. Then banned.

And I will have a good long laugh on that day..

#4 4 years ago

I'm sorry, did you just equate posting to Facebook and Twitter to being productive?

#5 4 years ago

Find out the name and email address of someone in Stern that actually has influence. Post that here so we can all submit a request

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#6 4 years ago

better than bitching and doing nothing....

#7 4 years ago
Quoted from flashinstinct:

better than bitching and doing nothing....

Yeah, I guess if enough people all post at once it will take a while to get them all deleted. Specify an exact time (via PM to those who want to participate) then spring on Stern's website like locusts on a Pharaoh.

#8 4 years ago

The more of you that gets yourselves banned the less competition I have for the free giveaways. I vote that this plan is a great one.

#9 4 years ago

how about call and email.

If you want to FB and twitter then that may help also, but I think we should all vow to write a letter, write an email, call, and actually reach out to BOTH stern and your distributor and tell them what you think.

#10 4 years ago

Are you doing this because Jan 31 is my birthday? You guys are awesome!

-M

#11 4 years ago

I don't really care about getting banned from Stern's facebook page....I can get all the news here in a matter of seconds after they post something....

#12 4 years ago

Stern may delete these but it takes more then that to get banned. You have to be persistent to get banned. Or of course you could post something offensive to get banned quickly. Stern will not ban you for asking one question about code.

#13 4 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

how about call and email.
If you want to FB and twitter then that may help also, but I think we should all vow to write a letter, write an email, call, and actually reach out to BOTH stern and your distributor and tell them what you think.

Email and call are way more credible than social media posts.

Flash, find out the contact we need to write....heck...write up a friendly form letter that folks can cut and paste. I think that will go a long way.

#14 4 years ago
Quoted from 27dnast:

Email and call are way more credible than social media posts.
Flash, find out the contact we need to write....heck...write up a friendly form letter that folks can cut and paste. I think that will go a long way.

We can always do that. But I'm not a writter and I don't know all the things. I can also do things like the Flashers on STLE that don't do nothing. Send me a PM and I will create your little rant for free

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Social Media will reach a lot more potential buyers than a letter will. I want more unknowing potential buyers to see this than just Stern. If some dude see's this online when he's about to buy his first machine without knowing about Sterns little "issue" than this will have served it's purpose.

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#15 4 years ago

I think a better idea is just don't buy any new pins in 2015 - UNLESS the code is done enough for your liking.

No sense bitching, crying and menstruating about unfinished code; it happens with EVERY game from both JJP and Stern.

You have plenty of other games to play - play them.

After a year or two, if a game has final code, and you like the final code, then buy it.

Otherwise, no bitching allowed - you knew the code would not be done for 2 years when you bought the game.

#16 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

you knew the code would not be done for 2 years when you bought the game.

My salesman failed to mention that to me :/ Oh well.

#17 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I think a better idea is just don't buy any new pins in 2015 - UNLESS the code is done enough for your liking.
No sense bitching, crying and menstruating about unfinished code; it happens with EVERY game from both JJP and Stern.
You have plenty of other games to play - play them.
After a year or two, if a game has final code, and you like the final code, then buy it.
Otherwise, no bitching allowed - you knew the code would not be done for 2 years when you bought the game.

I totally get this Vid and iwth the outmost respect I would say most people on here are starting the learn their lesson. I'm just trying to be proactive to a) stop the bitching about code problems on this forum b) get newbies or potential buyers to know what they are getting themselves into if they buy a new machine. That's all. I little social media bitching can't hurt in the long run.

#18 4 years ago
Quoted from Fresh_Wax:

My salesman failed to mention that to me :/ Oh well.

My BMW would never stay synced with my Ipod. Latter I found out that it was a common problem.

Salesman failed to mention that...lol.

#19 4 years ago

Sounds like typical sales... sorry to those that are salemen\women

#20 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

I think a better idea is just don't buy any new pins in 2015 - UNLESS the code is done enough for your liking.
No sense bitching, crying and menstruating about unfinished code; it happens with EVERY game from both JJP and Stern.
You have plenty of other games to play - play them.
After a year or two, if a game has final code, and you like the final code, then buy it.
Otherwise, no bitching allowed - you knew the code would not be done for 2 years when you bought the game.

To be fair JJP released updates, substantial updates, for WOZ once and even twice a month for nearly 6 months and were open about the updates. Myself and many other ACDC owners have been waiting nearly two years for an update to the game that will add it's advertised cannon modes. That's ridiculous. It's also ridiculous that months go by without a word from Stern regarding updates for their other games. They are happy to plaster images and articles about their games on their Facebook page but rarely post anything about code updates.

Stern has made it clear that their focus is on getting three new games out a year and selling as many as they can to distributors early on while code takes a back seat. Releasing 3 games a year doesn't mean squat when owners are left with an incomplete game for years and being left in the dark regarding future updates. People are fed up and its reached a boiling point.

#21 4 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Myself and many other ACDC owners have been waiting nearly two years for an update to the game that will add it's advertised cannon modes. That's ridiculous.

Here you go Post that on Jan 31st...

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#22 4 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

To be fair JJP released updates, substantial updates, for WOZ once and even twice a month for nearly 6 months and were open about the updates.

To be fair, Jack also stated several times "We will NOT release a game with unfinished code".

Quoted from PanzerFreak:

People are fed up and its reached a boiling point.

Excellent.

So quit buying any more games, UNTIL the code is finished.

#23 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

To be fair, Jack also stated several times "We will NOT release a game with unfinished code".

Excellent.
So quit buying any more games, UNTIL the code is finished.

At least JJP finished the games code in a reasonable amount of time and were open about the entire process. That sounds way better then the way Stern has been handling code updates. Stern is producing some great looking games but its a shame that it takes years (sometimes never) for them to reach their potential due to the way code updates are handled.

#24 4 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

Stern is producing some great looking games but its a shame that it takes years (sometimes never) for them to reach their potential due to the way code updates are handled.

Just quit buying them until the code is complete to your satisfaction.

#25 4 years ago
Quoted from vid1900:

Just quit buying them until the code is complete to your satisfaction.

That's probably the best strategy at this point.

#27 4 years ago

I think Stern knows you guys want code. The problem is you buy the games anyway. Simple as that.

The Video Game buying public on reddit have been having similar problems with incomplete games being released, and they have started a NO PRE-ORDERS IN 2015 campaign. That might be more useful. Games that are already out we have no influence over. But if you refuse to pre-order games until you can check out the code, you can incentivize the developer to turn out more complete work.

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#29 4 years ago
Quoted from Arcade:

Stern may delete these but it takes more then that to get banned. You have to be persistent to get banned. Or of course you could post something offensive to get banned quickly. Stern will not ban you for asking one question about code.

YES THEY WILL. I was banned twice for posting asking about code.

my exact post the first time I was banned for was just this.

"I just picked up a X-men magneto LE, it's a fantastic game.
Any chance of another code update?"

I was banned and sent an email to Stern asking why.
I was then unbanned.

The last xmen code update came out a week later.

Then before the last ST update I asked about a code update for Star trek. I was banned again.
I didn't bother to email Stern to try to get unbanned as they can now go $@#% themselves.

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#30 4 years ago
Quoted from PanzerFreak:

At least JJP finished the games code in a reasonable amount of time and were open about the entire process. That sounds way better then the way Stern has been handling code updates. Stern is producing some great looking games but its a shame that it takes years (sometimes never) for them to reach their potential due to the way code updates are handled.

Wrong. JJP took three years to get woz code to where it is. That means stern still has plenty of time to do better than JJP.

#31 4 years ago

Just use a friends facebook account

#32 4 years ago

Meh.

Pinball is way too fragile to be organizing social media protests. I am thankful stern even exists at all. Thank God pinball machines are even made at all to begin with.

At least Stern announces a machine and mass produces it and has it in stock 30 days later. No crowdfunding, no years of delays, no electrical redesigns, no license disputes, no "pinball is hard" seminar at expo, no 2 week cryptic update emails, no shipping delays...

Just a game... Consistently new games. The only one. The only one. The only one.

Stern is the lifeblood of progress in our entire hobby. Attacking them is not the best possible route to solving this problem.

This is just my opinion. I won't participate.

#33 4 years ago

It would be nice if those games came out with "almost done" code instead of "we'll wing it" code now wouldn't it? I don't think something like this would tank Stern. But I would hope that it opens their eyes a little. Instead everyone bitches on here and those nothing.

#34 4 years ago
Quoted from inhomearcades:

Wrong. JJP took three years to get woz code to where it is. That means stern still has plenty of time to do better than JJP.

Wrong. In those three years JJP had to design a complete system from scratch for their games to run on before coding for WOZ even began. There was also the need to design and build parts, setup the factory, establish vendor relationships and probably a thousand other things before WOZ coding could even begin. Doesn't sound bad at all for 3 years!

Gary has some great programmers on his staff and should give them more dedicated time to complete code for existing games before pushing out the next title. Imagine if Ford took Sterns approach to code updates with their cars. Oh your transmission needs a code update as it's having shifting problems? Interior lighting isn't working correctly as code to control it doesn't exist in the computer? Too bad, we have next years car model to work on and will develop an update for the issue and non functioning features 6+ months down the road. That would never fly.

#35 4 years ago

What I find surprising is that I could count at least 10 threads about wanting code with hundreds of post by hundreds of people. Yet there is only a handful of people that are willing to give this a try. Funny.

#36 4 years ago
Quoted from flashinstinct:

What I find surprising is that I could count at least 10 threads about wanting code with hundreds of post by hundreds of people. Yet there is only a handful of people that are willing to give this a try. Funny.

What I find funny is the fact that neither of your games are waiting for code updates.
You've suggested previously that everyone picket Sterns factory and made comments about a lawsuit.
So I find it weird that you posted "I don't hold a particular hatred for Stern..."

From various other posts, you seem like a good guy, but honestly, what are you up to?
Bored?

#37 4 years ago

...I'm just really tired of people bitching and not doing anything.

#38 4 years ago

Patience; code will come when it's ready.

#39 4 years ago

Did Stern ever finish coding WOF?

#40 4 years ago
Quoted from BoozeMarlin:

Did Stern ever finish coding WOF?

Yes, Vanna actually finished the release candidate.

Still sucks.

#41 4 years ago
Quoted from Eskaybee:

Patience; code will come when it's ready.

I have no doubt about this statement and frankly I agreed with that. My only issue is Stern's though process about how and when they should release code.

In essence code releases are in existence to repair broken bits of programming or to enhance tools, features etc... But what Stern is doing is promising stuff and features in games, and then not program them before release and then leaving the buyer their to dry while they choose when they are going to implement it (if ever).

I'm on the side of the fence that thinks code should be "almost finished" when they announce a game and when it it ships the game should work 100%. Granted some improvements could/should be made along the way to make the game better instead of keeping quiet.

How much of Stern's programming staff are allocated to finishing code versus creating new code for a new game? My guess would be that it falls far lower on the priority list and that needs to change.

Sure I'm part of the clan that doesn't buy NIB for that specific reason but it doesn't mean I cannot stand with the frustrated people.

#42 4 years ago

I'm not a big Stern fan, I want to dig their machines, I'm planning on playing them a lot more this week (spidey, ac/dc, and Metallica) but if I was looking to pick up a machine I would either a) resign myself to the fact that the machine I wanted would take years to be completed or b) find an equally fun machine that's finished now and pick that up. personally I'd go with option b, but again I'm not that into Sterns yet.

#43 4 years ago

I'm agreeing with allot that is being said here even when the is disagreements!

flashinstinct has a good idea here, making the code issue impossible to ignore on Jan 31st, but only for those at Stern who know what is going on with their social media.

vid1900 has a great idea in encouraging everyone not to buy new this year. This above all with get everyone's attention at Stern. They will find it hard to believe that sales are off because of unfinished code since not unfinishing code has been their mode of operandi since the beginning, SO, WE MUST LET THEIR DISTRIBUTORS KNOW WHY WE AREN'T BUYING.

We all have been pretty patient and delivering a pin that is, say, 75% done or so, and then 100% within the year would be totally acceptable. ...and if we see them announcing this and actually delivering on this, well, its time to buy NIB again!!

All it would take is a DEDICATE group of quality control coders (The QCC) to work on the project.

SO, let's keep the pressure on since they don't really have allot of competition!!!

#44 4 years ago

Perhaps another avenue would be to make the first few questions when buying / ordering a pinball through a distributor, about the code. something like:

"I'm interested in Sterns XYZ pinball, but I keep hearing they have issues finishing their code, is that going to be an issue here?"

"this looks amazing, but will all those features be available when it arrives NIB? I hear people are still waiting for features from (insert game here)"

"What games do you have from stern right now that have code that is finished and complete?"

If enough distributors keep getting these type of questions through 2015 you can bet it will be brought up.

#45 4 years ago

And the way to achieve those types of questions are through awareness. Kinda like what I am trying to achieve with this. If a potential buyer sees this in social media... He will be prone to ask the real questions.

#46 4 years ago

Maybe I should create another graphic "Stern pinball, the world's oldest and largest producer of unfinished arcade quality pinball games". It might be a bit harsh but I wouldn't be lying either lol!

#47 4 years ago

Is there not enough threads belly aching about code? I'm pretty sure Stern has got the message. You do have a choice on what pin you buy. Stern does do updates so accept that's how things work. If Stern simplified the rules, modes, and depth then the code would be easier to get solid out of the box. If that was the case, everyone would be belly aching that there is not enough code. The other solution would be to increase the production time for each pin. That would mean higher costs, fewer sales, and then the same belly aching that it takes too long to get a pin out. It doesn't matter who it is - Stern, JJP, DP, or whoever - people are complaining about one thing or another.

#48 4 years ago

You've got to remember Gary Stern has said in the past that the home customer is not as important
as the operator. We are only a small portion of his business. Therefore not important.

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