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Machines in a shed?


By PismoArcade

3 years ago



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    #1 3 years ago

    This is one of those questions of which I think I know the answer. Gonna throw it out there anyway.

    I would love to put a couple of my machines in a larger shed, but I'm concerned about the extreme weather where it's located. It gets pretty cold during the winter months and for about a month in the summer, the temps soar to over 100 degrees. I'm concerned about rust, etc and if it would adversely affect either an EM or any pin.

    Thanks in advance...

    #2 3 years ago

    I have stored EM bodies in a shed out of sunlight though. Keep the heads with glass inside a controlled temperature room..

    11
    #3 3 years ago

    The wood will plank and the backglasses will peel and flake.

    #4 3 years ago

    The most damage comes from sudden temperature changes
    and very high or ultra low humidity and/or salt air.
    Most of my collection has been in self-storage units for years (not really proud of that fact);
    and they have seemed to survive without much adverse effects.
    The storage is in Bakersfield CA were the humidity is relatively low,
    and it does get damn hot (>90-100'F) from May to October.
    Winters are relatively mild (i.e. rarely if ever gets below 35-40'F).
    I would wrap the games in moving blankets and tarps if possible
    and stack the games on end on top of pallets also just in case.
    And best advice of all, is to remove the backglasses and store them separately
    in a temperature controlled environment, just to be safe.

    #5 3 years ago

    Humidity and rapid temperature changes are the enemy of storing games in a shed.

    Keep them up off the floor, using 1 or two pallets. Store backglasses separately inside your home. You could shrink wrap them, then wrap shipping blankets around them, then the final layer would be a wrap of clear heavy poly. Do not quote me on this, "Not sure how that would work for your environment", but it has worked for me here in relatively dry prairie environment.

    Pinwiztom beat me while typing.

    #6 3 years ago

    Thanks everyone.... I should have mentioned I wanted to set them up to play in my shed. It's on the coast of Oregon and in the "banana belt" where it gets hot sometimes. No ventilation in the shed. Was gonna set up my WOF and an EM or two.

    #7 3 years ago

    I have only been up here for about 20 months now, but never heard of the banana belt in Oregon.
    It can get into the 90s for a couple of weeks here in Salem;
    more so south of Eugene, last two summers supposedly were the hottest in a while.
    This last Dec was the wettest ever.
    Being that your plan for storage is on/near the coast; highly recommend a blanket or pinball cover.
    What part of the Oregon coast you talking,
    Seaside/Tillamok or Lincoln City/Newport or Coos Bay or Brookings?

    #8 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinwiztom:

    I have only been up here for about 20 months now, but never heard of the banana belt in Oregon.
    It can get into the 90s for a couple of weeks here in Salem;
    more so south of Eugene, last two summers supposedly were the hottest in a while.
    This last Dec was the wettest ever.
    Being that your plan for storage is on/near the coast; highly recommend a blanket or pinball cover.
    What part of the Oregon coast you talking,
    Seaside/Tillamok or Lincoln City/Newport or Coos Bay or Brookings?

    Brookings-Harbor.... Last summer was a scorcher. Several days over 100.

    #9 3 years ago

    Heck that is barely over the stateline.
    Beautiful country none the less.

    #10 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinwiztom:

    Heck that is barely over the stateline.
    Beautiful country none the less.

    Yeah....about 8 miles north of the border. We love the area.

    I always wanted to check out Salem. Looks like a nice area.

    #11 3 years ago

    Salem is about 1 hr south of Portland and 1 hr north of Eugene and 1 hr drive from the coast
    and just over an hour drive to the mountains, so fairly well located. Moderate weather, lots of trees.
    And still relatively affordable compared to Portland or Eugene or Most of California.

    #12 3 years ago

    Very tricky, to say the least. Be very careful. You don't want to ruin your games.

    Strange story though: I once bought about 14 games from an old operator. They were classic solid state games, and had been stored in an unheated garage for about 25-30 years. The garage was leaking in one of its corners. Bad conditions for storing pins, right? Absolutely. But the strange thing was that all of the games -apart from the ones directly underneath the spot where it leaked- were in exceptionally good condition. Backglasses, cabinets and playfields.

    #13 3 years ago

    Every time I see one of these post I think about the arcades at the Jersey Shore years ago. Those machines were right next to the ocean in salt air all summer then stored in the same unheated damp arcade all winter and most survived.

    With that said I have never bought a machine out of NJ that was in super nice shape likely because most came from the Jersey Shore at some point.

    Not climate controlled is basically hit & miss. In my eyes nice machines should stay in climate controlled environment if possible but "players quality" machines I really don't think it will matter all that much.

    #14 3 years ago
    Quoted from too-many-pins:

    Every time I see one of these post I think about the arcades at the Jersey Shore years ago. Those machines were right next to the ocean in salt air all summer then stored in the same unheated damp arcade all winter and most survived.
    With that said I have never bought a machine out of NJ that was in super nice shape likely because most came from the Jersey Shore at some point.
    Not climate controlled is basically hit & miss. In my eyes nice machines should stay in climate controlled environment if possible but "players quality" machines I really don't think it will matter all that much.

    This is what I was thinking; thanks. I have a couple of "players quality" pins (I'm thinking "Card Whiz" and "Mibs" and maybe WOF).

    #15 3 years ago
    Quoted from too-many-pins:

    Every time I see one of these post I think about the arcades at the Jersey Shore years ago. Those machines were right next to the ocean in salt air all summer then stored in the same unheated damp arcade all winter and most survived.

    I was thinking the exact same thing too. Salt air will certainly do damage over time but if you put a "players condition" in that environment, so what.

    I'm going to try putting one at my beach house in the garage, why not, those arcades were right on the Jersey shore and open air in the summer.

    #16 3 years ago

    Condensation would be the biggest concern. When its warm during the day and cools at night you will get condensation on everything. I have several garages and two are air tight. The third is not and has a big problem with condensation.

    #17 3 years ago

    I once looked over a BLY Fathom for sale in Huntington Beach, that was stored in a (non temp control) garage
    and its insides were all rusted to beat the band, so at a minimum I would blanket and tarp games when not in action.
    But probably let the games cool down (return to ambient) a bit before covering.

    #18 3 years ago

    Don't do it !!
    Disaster about to happen

    #19 3 years ago

    My garage is insulated and climate controlled with a PTAC unit and I still get worried about having a few of my pins out there. They are setup to play and seem fine, but I recently setup an Elgato Eve to monitor and track the garage air, and though temp stays kinda stable, humidity is all over the map. No way I would put pins in a shed.

    Check out the graph from my Eve unit over a 30 day period. Pretty Nuts.

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    #20 3 years ago

    I had most of my collection in a climate controlled storage vault for over 10 years, individual crates.

    No change in condition.
    Key word is climate controlled.

    #21 3 years ago
    Quoted from tacshose:

    Check out the graph from my Eve unit over a 30 day period.

    How does that compare to the outside temps and humidity fluctuations?

    #22 3 years ago

    Contact Vid1900, he mentioned using a light bulb or an electric reptile warmer inside the game.

    #23 3 years ago

    humidity control is key, get a unit to keep that maintained.

    you can store the bodies of EMs under other games if you have any set up currently. would that be a better option?

    -c

    #24 3 years ago
    Quoted from Darcy:

    Contact Vid1900, he mentioned using a light bulb or an electric reptile warmer inside the game.

    You should not keep reptiles inside your game!

    #25 3 years ago
    Quoted from spfxted:

    You should not keep reptiles inside your game!

    Than how do you explain CFTBL.

    #27 3 years ago
    Quoted from tacshose:

    My garage is insulated and climate controlled with a PTAC unit and I still get worried about having a few of my pins out there. They are setup to play and seem fine, but I recently setup an Elgato Eve to monitor and track the garage air, and though temp stays kinda stable, humidity is all over the map. No way I would put pins in a shed.
    Check out the graph from my Eve unit over a 30 day period. Pretty Nuts.

    I dunno, that doesn't seem that bad to me. That second one is humidity? That actually seems pretty low to me overall (despite the fluctuations)... I always thought around 50% RH was ideal for most wood. But, I think keeping constant is important (within my home the humidity varies significantly, only so much conditioning can be done within reason...)

    #28 3 years ago
    Quoted from fiberdude120:

    Than how do you explain CFTBL.

    Or WMS Grand Lizard or Game Plan Pinball Lizard! or GTB Dragon

    #29 3 years ago

    Good thread, surprised it has never been discussed!

    #30 3 years ago

    Might want to consider using some moisture reducer, desiccant like DampRid,
    or Calcium Sulfate

    http://www.damprid.com/ which is basically anhydrous Calcium Chloride or

    DRIERITE Desiccant
    Indicating DRIERITE is anhydrous calcium sulfate desiccant which turns from blue to pink when saturated. DRIERITE indicating desiccant can be easily be regenerated repeatedly for reuse by simply heating in an oven. Re-dried desiccant is ready for use when the materials turns back from pink to blue. Desiccant material is pH neutral and constant in volume. Desiccant is also chemically inert except toward water. DRIERITE is insoluble in organic liquids and refrigerants, non-disintegrating, non-wetting, non-toxic, non-corrosive and non-channeling. DRIERITE desiccant is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the FDA. Material is not regulated by OSHA. Typical analysis >99.5% CaS04.

    #31 3 years ago

    Actually a bale or two of hay will do the trick also as far as moisture goes. Something about dry hay just sucks moisture out of the air very well.

    #32 3 years ago

    Wow....all great suggestions. Thanks everyone!

    #33 3 years ago
    Quoted from too-many-pins:

    Actually a bale or two of hay will do the trick also as far as moisture goes. Something about dry hay just sucks moisture out of the air very well.

    And you could use them the stools .

    I don't think the desiccant (damp rid, etc) would work effectively... Just too much air movement. The larger desiccant packs work well in safes, small closets, containers, etc. Best bet would be a small dehumidifier ...

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