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"- Added STUFF to Tunes N Stuff:
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- AWARD BELL SHOT WITH V.I.P. PASS
Using the VIP PASS button also awards all features available
at the BELL (which includes advancing the PLAYFIELD MULTIPLIER).
(The Premium/LE will swing the bell using the BELL MAGNET.)"

Fun to read through that and 'see' the changes through the different revisions.

How high to the thunderstruck song shots get? I’ve never seen them higher than 500-750k. I can get the TNT shots up to 1.2 million quickly. Just have to know when to lock in the hurry ups.

All attempts I’ve made for the 300 song jackpot has been on new code.

Yes. Some things changed on new code. So for hell’s bells it gives you a bell hit, but doesn’t do anything with the multipliers.

I think 1.70 is the latest.

The Lyman thread turned into the AC/DC thread.

Of course. But it takes significantly more time for someone else to come in and figure everything out. Even the best developer in the world can't make understanding the rules, understanding the code structure and bug hunting take less time.

The legends of him doing code updates from home make clear that probably no one could ever pay him what he's worth. Companies are kept afloat by employees like that, which makes this all the more shocking (no I don't mean Stern is about to go under).

I don't have exact numbers...see above where I said that I haven't played the most recent code revision. We do have a pro locally in an arcade...I'm going to see if I can find out what code rev. they have and if it's the newer one, I'll try both TNT and Thunderstruck, and see. We might both be right.....just on different code revisions. I don't know. There's also a very distinct possibility that I'm so bad at TNT on a pro that I won't get a chance to really see...I'm not ashamed to admit that when I owned my Premium, even, TNT was by *FAR* the biggest gatekeeper to getting to wizard mode. I actually had to sell the game, it pissed me off so much when I couldn't get past TNT and start another song on ball 1, that's how deadly it was on my game.

Really? Wow, I avoid playing TnT, TS, and BnB first because those are the easiest to get past for me. Interesting.

They light up on the back panel jukebox. You have to light 8 other songs besides the one you are playing to light the saucer to change songs.

You're welcome.

And it makes my point that most people can't figure out what the hell is going on in that game. Still fun, though!

You hit the nail on the head brother!
Major loss for Stern if he is no longer coding for stern.

As for Dwight, same, waited so effing long on GB and now Munsters has just done it for me.
Wanted a Mandalorian and TMNT, but nope not going to do it on principal.

Wonder If I can still use - In Llyman I trust.

The key to TNT is using your VIP passes to make it so you never have to hit the middle target after the TNT. But on the pro, I assume this is a lot easier since the target is just the middle standup.

lol and whats amazing is how many people are still clueless on how to play it.

And for what its worth Lyman has been gone from Stern for months now.

I'm definitely willing to give it a fair shake, and I'll gladly concede if it works for me. The location is a bit ways away from me, so probably going to be a bit before I can get over there, but I want to do it. If nothing else our league finals will be there in 2 months or so. = \

I switched to TNT only a while ago. I’ve played AC/DC long enough that TNT is the only song that gets my blood pumping anymore.

Key is get the middle target hurry up going, the shoot a major shot, and before it registers, vip to light the major shots and lock in the shots hurry up value at max.

Yeah see, given my propensity to save my multiballs using VIP passes, I just never give much thought to using them for a mode. This is going to be interesting to play around with. Might be a separate trip over there...not sure I want to burn another finals match on "f it, I'm doing this".

Lyman coding Rush IS utilization to the fullest!
Just hope it's coming in 2021..

...with a rule set as complex as Neal Peart's drum solos.

I'm on V1.22. Can I update the latest code, wi-fi style?

What game ? Wrong thread ?

LTG : )

Now hold on. Let's not be too hasty. Let's try to help the young man.

You can use a usb 4 and put it in dongle slot B with dip switches 1,2 and 5 set to "on." This enables the gobble function to go "full max," just the way George Washington intended.

Hope that helped!

If he bounced last year, there’s no way that’s happening now.

Anything known for sure yet?

Wild disingenuous speculation: Lyman is starting his own company which won't manufacture anything and will only make games for existing P3 modules.

If Lyman is gone and isn’t an employee of CGC right now, it would seem to make sense that he has struck out on his own and is consulting and programming on a contract basis now. It shouldn’t preclude him from working on any machine for any particular company moving forward, if such is the case.

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I’ve sent in bug reports and never gotten a personalized response.

I didn’t think That was the point.

Maybe he got tired of doing development for pins and wanted to check out another industry?

I could see how your hobby also being your job could lead to to both being neither.

He’s been burned out for years. Surprised it’s taken this long. My opinion is based on actually talking to him.

You're supposed to include Amazon gift cards.

Lyman was awesome working on code issues with Metallica and TWD directly with me and the personal attention was very much appreciated. I had the last Metallica update like 6-8 months before it finally came out as a beta version that included the code changes to solve an issue with the coffin lock.

My measly $5 Amazon gift card was probably larger than his Stern bonus that year.

Wait, where do they sell Lyman fatheads?

I wouldn't call that "striking out," he may be making more $$$ as a contractor under his own terms. It's not like there's a bunch of Lymans around waiting to program pinball games.

Burnout is real. There’s been times in my life where I’ve felt you could hold a gun to my head and told me to do something and I’d accept my death and you would have to kill me. There was simply no way I could force myself to do the thing.

Sounds like Lyman has taken the first step in taking care of himself. There’s a journey ahead, and possibly it won’t go the way any of us can predict.

Firstly to everyone who is in the position of not getting support and assistance from JJP for any issues but mainly playfield issues I hope you all get a fair resolve ASAP, so my best wishes.

And to address my quote.

I couldn't agree more my man ... Kaneda is the best Podcast I've ever had the pressure to listen too, the rest are just ok to me. I really don't like the podcast's that talk for like 15/20mins and sometimes more about nothing to do with pinball before they start talking pinball, oh man that shits, it's why I don't listen to them much at all. I don't mind The Pinball Chronicle's and TSAPS sometimes. However even though I don't agree with him all the time ... it's Kaneda all the way for me, his the best and probably 5 from 5!

MegadethHangar18................

I am fairly certain you misinterpreted his usage of ‘struck out on his own’ - when I use this phrase it means going your own way, not under someone else’s direction/control.

Only the best get burnout.

Really? But I get burnout… Yes! I always knew my Mom was right!

Well my bad in that case!

Has Lyman retired from pinball?

Would have thought if he were working anywhere else, there would be a huge press release celebrating the news.

That's the million dollar question at this point.

He could be working on something somewhere else, but they're not ready to announce. Or maybe he is just taking a break.

I assume if he just flat out retired, Stern would have made a big to-do about it. I also wonder if this will affect the prices of EHOH either up or down, now that the game has been "finished."

Could be a big ThankYou party at Chicago Expo come end of October for Lyman's Retirement / Leaving Stern for all he has done for them.

Let's all make shirts for the retirement party.
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