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Lyman Forfeits in Final Round of IFPA Championship


By triadwatch

3 years ago



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    #51 3 years ago
    Quoted from bkerins:

    If the event had run on schedule Lyman would have been able to finish out. It didn't, so he didn't.

    The event was on schedule, at least it was really close.

    We budgeted 2 hours per round, 6 rounds total. Started at 11am to end at closing time for Tim (11pm).

    Lyman called it quits at 10pm, with one game in. Had they finished their match in less than that hour we would have finished EARLY

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    #52 3 years ago
    Quoted from jrivelli:

    You have to be one of the most negative/instigating folks on here. Why do you instantly assume the worst and always try to get the pitch forks going? You don't know the story. Lyman is also a really good dude, super polite.
    It'd be nice if we didn't have this pitchfork mentality around here

    It is my opinion that it is poor form to sign up for any event which is scheduled to run for a set time, book your flights to leave before the end of the event, make it to finals and then play a single game and bail. IMO, you took away the true win from the other competitor since you forfieted, you opted to play through the previous round even though you knew you had a personal cut off time and had to bail, and you even took the opportunity from someone else from your state that could have planned accordingly and been there for the entire event.

    No need to pull out the pitchforks on anyone. I am merely providing my opinion. This is the largest stage of pinball in the us and in the finals a player walks off for planned personal reasons when knowing in advance how long the event was slated to run and that if anything pinball events can run long. Is this what we should expect for other professional sports? World series, you play one really long first inning and then leave?

    Sorry, but my opinion is if you can't come to play then just dont come and let someone else take that opportunity.

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    #53 3 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    Sorry, but my opinion is if you can't come to play then just dont come and let someone else take that opportunity.

    Maybe he shouldn't have even played in the state finals if he didn't know he could play the whole Nationals?
    People drop out of tourneys, it happens.
    Giving shit to someone because of it is poor form.

    #54 3 years ago

    I remember having to forfeit the finals at Expo to Andy Rosa. He would have had to beat me twice to win had I been able to stay. And he probably would have done it, too. Congrats to Adam. He deserves a major.

    #55 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinlawyer:

    He deserves a major.

    Majors include the IFPA World Pinball Championship, PAPA World Pinball Championships, European Pinball Championships and Pinburgh Match Play Championship.

    The IFPA National Championship is not considered a Major but the World Championship is.

    -11
    #56 3 years ago

    Whether Lyman likes it or not, he is not just a pinball celebrity, he is a pinball legend. His livelihood has been pinball and I think it's been very good to him. He probably is a great guy, I don't know, I've never met him.

    If he didn't participate in the tournament we would understand. If he had to leave early for a family emergency, we would understand. No need for pitchforks, it's really not a big deal, but to leave early to catch a plane is bad form for him. I can't see Harmon Killebrew leaving an alumni baseball game tied in the tenth inning because his plane is leaving.

    He is an ambassador for pinball. Maybe not fair to him, but he is held to a higher standard.

    I'm still a huge fan of Lyman, Bowen, and all the other players who I watch regularly. It's pinball, I get it, but still...

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    #57 3 years ago
    Quoted from DNO:

    Maybe he shouldn't have even played in the state finals if he didn't know he could play the whole Nationals?
    People drop out of tourneys, it happens.
    Giving shit to someone because of it is poor form.

    Heh, it's a good thing Lyman and many others don't care about this sort of shit-talking. I guess I shouldn't have bothered playing in Massachusetts because I knew I wouldn't be able to travel to Vegas.

    #58 3 years ago

    This thread serves no purpose anymore.

    As someone who knows the man personally (through competing), i trust whatever reason he had. Any other speculation is just gossip.

    Sorry i bumped this because the title itself , although true , makes it seem like something bad was done. It's more like "SH*T happens".

    I hope a mod sees a benefit in saying this is over and not much more to be discussed.

    Die Thread Die (not the Sideshow Bob meaning either).

    #59 3 years ago

    No way to know ahead of time how long a finals will last. Sounds like the finals format itself needs to change if lasting 10+ hours. At the 10+ hour stage the finals become an endurance contest instead of an ability one.

    #60 3 years ago

    Word is he got a text requesting his return to Stern to help with KISS CODE.

    #61 3 years ago
    Quoted from ezeltmann:

    Die Thread Die (not the Sideshow Bob meaning either).

    The thread The!

    #62 3 years ago

    There was a PAPA in recent years that Lyman had to skip due to the impending release of a game and it was crunch time for the code. I would think pinball people would understand the importance of Lyman's position at Stern and support that. People do bail in tournaments. It happens frequently. This is just getting the attention because A. It was the National Championship and B. It was Lyman Sheats.

    I really have to echo what Bowen said. I won the Alabama SCS for the 3rd straight year. I've never had any intention of doing the Vegas trip. Should I have skipped the SCS because of that? No way!

    As good a player as Lyman is, he had to know his chances were small to make it to the final two. He took a small risk and it didn't work out.

    #63 3 years ago

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    #64 3 years ago
    Quoted from Whysnow:

    It is my opinion that it is poor form to sign up for any event which is scheduled to run for a set time, book your flights to leave before the end of the event, make it to finals and then play a single game and bail. IMO, you took away the true win from the other competitor since you forfieted, you opted to play through the previous round even though you knew you had a personal cut off time and had to bail, and you even took the opportunity from someone else from your state that could have planned accordingly and been there for the entire event.
    No need to pull out the pitchforks on anyone. I am merely providing my opinion. This is the largest stage of pinball in the us and in the finals a player walks off for planned personal reasons when knowing in advance how long the event was slated to run and that if anything pinball events can run long. Is this what we should expect for other professional sports? World series, you play one really long first inning and then leave?
    Sorry, but my opinion is if you can't come to play then just dont come and let someone else take that opportunity.

    Those aren't comparable. Guys are making millions and millions. Winner here made $800 and paid for their flights.

    so, you are guaranteed certain he booked his flight to leave before the tournament was originally scheduled to end? How do you know this? Do you book his flights? Strange I'd also bail if it meant I would miss my flight if I stayed the entire time. Have you ever seen lyman videos? The dude can play one game forever lol!

    Tourneys are great etc. Run well from what I've seen etc etc. Want it to be a big time more serious affair? Get some real sponsors and some real prize money.

    Either way, your pitchfork is at the wrong guy, yet again. You seem like you would turn the forks on lyman for this and then again for not finishing a code fast enough because he had to miss or leave early from an event like this. Turn your privilege down a notch and your patience up.

    #65 3 years ago
    Quoted from triadwatch:

    Would be interesting to get feedback from participants to see if both of these championships should be on same day at same time on same bank of games or should one be on Wednesday and the other on Thursday or have different starting times for the championship . Maybe that would help with the longevity of these best of 7 matches.

    have you not watched this topic at all from PAPA over the years? Estimating duration, having the event end 'on time' and people's travel arrangements conflicting with the event running long is a persistent topic for tournament directors for years. When the top 'A' players get together the time is incredibly hard to manage.

    You're kind of late to this party...

    #66 3 years ago

    Sorry for being late to the party, not my first rodeo

    #67 3 years ago
    Quoted from jrivelli:

    Those aren't comparable. Guys are making millions and millions. Winner here made $800 and paid for their flights.
    so, you are guaranteed certain he booked his flight to leave before the tournament was originally scheduled to end? How do you know this? Do you book his flights? Strange I'd also bail if it meant I would miss my flight if I stayed the entire time. Have you ever seen lyman videos? The dude can play one game forever lol!
    Tourneys are great etc. Run well from what I've seen etc etc. Want it to be a big time more serious affair? Get some real sponsors and some real prize money.
    Either way, your pitchfork is at the wrong guy, yet again. You seem like you would turn the forks on lyman for this and then again for not finishing a code fast enough because he had to miss or leave early from an event like this. Turn your privilege down a notch and your patience up.

    Exactly.

    I am merely providing my opinion... Hilton, stfu.

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    #68 3 years ago

    Atticus does not post on the forums, so I'll chime in on a few things.

    I know for a fact Atticus had a blast at Nationals and really enjoyed playing everyone and just hanging out. He said all of his opponents were very cool and they talked about lots of other things besides pinball.

    He loved being able to play Lyman and despite losing 0-4, he said he did not feel like he was run over. You can see Atticus smiling in the video on Metallica. He was loving playing!

    On the issue of the tilt: it was no big deal. I saw the tilt carry through, but I was not going to interfere. I know Josh explained the rule to Atticus at the time. Afterwards I did ask about his choice and Atticus told me he thought the rule meant he had to start another game, play one ball and add scores together. (He has had that happen in other tourneys). Because he misinterpreted, the basis was that he did not want to lose his Snake progress. ( Adding ball 4 would have kept the progress, but he didn't understand the rule). Anyway, he is not very physical with games so he was not concerned.

    On the issue of the final match: there were lots of conversations going on with the people directly involved. I will say flights were a concern for BOTH Adam and Lyman.

    As someone directly observing what was happening before the finals and leading up to the decision, it's not my place to tell the story, Adam and/or Lyman can if they choose. But I will say it is disappointing to read and hear some of the comments, because from my and Atticus' viewpoint, Lyman is an honorable competitor and a very nice person.

    The day was long, but a great ride. I think Atticus' mother and I were more nervous than he was. Thank you IFPA, Josh and Zach for running the Nationals and Tim and PHOF staff for hosting at the venue and to all who helped make it possible.

    Congrats also to Travis who made the final 4 beating Atticus for the 3/4 spot, and of course to Adam Lefkoff for winning the National title.

    Hopefully we will see everyone again next year. (Heck, maybe I will beat Atticus in the SCS for a change and see firsthand what it's all about, lol.)

    #69 3 years ago

    Thanks for the play by play Jeff. I love that Atticus is young, enjoys playing, and continues to be a formidable opponent. I've played a lot with both Atticus and Adam so it is nice to see them in the final 4. Congrats to both!

    #70 3 years ago
    Quoted from pinballcorpse:

    Atticus does not post on the forums, so I'll chime in on a few things.
    I know for a fact Atticus had a blast at Nationals and really enjoyed playing everyone and just hanging out. He said all of his opponents were very cool and they talked about lots of other things besides pinball.
    He loved being able to play Lyman and despite losing 0-4, he said he did not feel like he was run over. You can see Atticus smiling in the video on Metallica. He was loving playing!
    On the issue of the tilt: it was no big deal. I saw the tilt carry through, but I was not going to interfere. I know Josh explained the rule to Atticus at the time. Afterwards I did ask about his choice and Atticus told me he thought the rule meant he had to start another game, play one ball and add scores together. (He has had that happen in other tourneys). Because he misinterpreted, the basis was that he did not want to lose his Snake progress. ( Adding ball 4 would have kept the progress, but he didn't understand the rule). Anyway, he is not very physical with games so he was not concerned.
    On the issue of the final match: there were lots of conversations going on with the people directly involved. I will say flights were a concern for BOTH Adam and Lyman.
    As someone directly observing what was happening before the finals and leading up to the decision, it's not my place to tell the story, Adam and/or Lyman can if they choose. But I will say it is disappointing to read and hear some of the comments, because from my and Atticus' viewpoint, Lyman is an honorable competitor and a very nice person.
    The day was long, but a great ride. I think Atticus' mother and I were more nervous than he was. Thank you IFPA, Josh and Zach for running the Nationals and Tim and PHOF staff for hosting at the venue and to all who helped make it possible.
    Congrats also to Travis who made the final 4 beating Atticus for the 3/4 spot, and of course to Adam Lefkoff for winning the National title.
    Hopefully we will see everyone again next year. (Heck, maybe I will beat Atticus in the SCS for a change and see firsthand what it's all about, lol.)

    Thank you for posting this, Jeff. Sometimes in threads like these, when lurkers start sighing and shaking their heads, the cream really rises to the top, and this is a great example of a wonderful contribution to the Pinside dialogue.

    #71 3 years ago
    Quoted from ezeltmann:

    I hope a mod sees a benefit in saying this is over and not much more to be discussed.

    See pinballcorpse's insightful post for why you don't haphazardly lock a thread. If you think there's nothing more to discuss, just stop clicking on it.

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