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LW3 DMD Issues

By jjnascar

8 years ago


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#1 8 years ago

Hey All,

I'm having an issue with getting the DMD to display/power on my LW3 Pin.

I have replaced the Power Supply, and have dropped in a replacement DMD.

I have since reflowed the headers on the display controller board and have rebuilt the 5v connector going to the controller board.

My voltages to the DMD are:
1-113V
2- -101V
3-Ground
4-Ground
5-5VDC
6-5V
7-12V
8-69V

I was curious does the DMD display make any sound when booting or does it illuminate? I'm unable to get any sign of life from this display.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,
John

#2 8 years ago

Can you reseat the ribbon cable at the CPU board? Any change?

#3 8 years ago

Do you have any other Data East games?

#4 8 years ago

I reseated both ribbon cables, with no change.

This is my first pin, sorry should have mentioned that.

#5 8 years ago

Can you wiggle the small ribbon cable with the power on. If you see any glitches on the DMD, I would replace that ribbon cable.

#6 8 years ago

Can you tell us the history? Did you buy it when the game was working and after moving no longer has DMD display? Or bought a non-working game?

#7 8 years ago

On the big ribbon cable going to the DMD controller, pin 1 (red wire) is on the right and Pin 1 at the CPU is also on the right where it plugs in. Is that matched up?

#8 8 years ago

I replaced the small ribbon cable, with no activity.

I'll try to summarize the conditions of purchase.

I purchased the unit and it was mentioned that it was 100% minus the DMD.

When I got it home, half of the lights on the backbox worked, so I rebuilt the GI connector.

The Power Supply was replaced because the HV section was dead; I also rebuild CN5 on the PS.

Aside from the DMD, I have a hum on the speakers, but see some caps that need attention on the sound card.

the existing DMD display had a crack in the corner and 2 wires that someone tried to patch it with -- The 5v connector was backwards on the controller board and the ribbon cables were backwards.

Concerning the longer cpu ribbon cable -- the red stripe is facing pin 1 on both sides, that's what your mentioning?

#9 8 years ago
Quoted from jjnascar:

I replaced the small ribbon cable, with no activity.
Concerning the longer cpu ribbon cable -- the red stripe is facing pin 1 on both sides, that's what your mentioning?

Yes, so it should be plugged in correctly.

#10 8 years ago

Yes, I just double checked -- its correct.

#11 8 years ago
Quoted from jjnascar:

The 5v connector was backwards on the controller board

This would be of concern as it would have put 5v to ground on all the IC's on this controller board. Hmm...

#12 8 years ago

I was thinking the same thing, 5v on ground might be a situation that doesn't pay off to fix the controller board, but rather replace it with a new one.

I thought even without the controller board alive, that the DMD would brighten by power in some way -- is the DMD controller board the only way this thing would illuminate?

#13 8 years ago
Quoted from jjnascar:

I thought even without the controller board alive, that the DMD would brighten by power in some way -- is the DMD controller board the only way this thing would illuminate?

Yes, it needs the data coming from the CPU to tell it where to display the animations/text.

#14 8 years ago

There are used Data East DMD controller boards I see come up on Ebay at times cheaper than new Rottendog boards. But you need to make sure they are tested and working boards if you go that route.

#15 8 years ago

Just to add to this a bit -- after starting it up, I notice the IC's do get warm, but not hot.

#16 8 years ago

Back to the power supply, there should only be 7 pins. Did you list the 5 volt pin twice by accident?
1-113V
2- -101V
3-Ground
4-Ground
5-5VDC
6-5V
7-12V
8-69V

#17 8 years ago

Yep -- it was an error

#18 8 years ago

I need to have a look to see if I have a good used DE DMD controller board I could send.

#19 8 years ago

No problem starting a game and playing through a full game?

#20 8 years ago

Connecting the 5V/ground, ridiculous Dot controller component or backwards probably didn't hurt anything. I've seen it done before.

But it appears that your dot controller board isn't booting. If it were booting, you'd see the splash screed indicating the display rom version, etc, then it would show whatever the MPU is sending it.

Have the board checked out or repaired. Do you know someone close with a game that you can try the board in?

I can repair the board if you'd like. Drop me a PM.
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#21 8 years ago

Thanks guys -- The game starts, music plays, all lights and flashers work and the game plays normal when a new game is initated.

Unfortunately, I don't know anyone that could test this board locally.

Thanks,
John

#22 8 years ago

If you want to ship it, I can test it for you. I'm pretty sure that board is your issue though.
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#23 8 years ago

Might be a good time to have the HV section rebuilt on the original power supply as well.

#24 8 years ago

might be a good idea, as a backup.

#25 8 years ago
Quoted from jjnascar:

might be a good idea, as a backup.

Especially if you buy another DE DMD game with this size DMD, such as Star Wars or TFTC.
Note this power supply will not work in the DMD games with the smaller DMD such as the Batman, Star Trek, TMNT.

#26 8 years ago
Quoted from PinballManiac40:

Especially if you buy another DE DMD game with this size DMD, such as Star Wars or TFTC.
Note this power supply will not work in the DMD games with the smaller DMD such as the Batman, Star Trek, TMNT.

I thought the power supply for LW3 ( 520-5047-01) would work in the earlier games like Batman. My DE Batman came with a 520-5047-01 Rev C and was working fine until the -HV went out (but that's a story for another thread).

#27 8 years ago

Hey all,

We're progressing a little bit better.

I replaced the DMD controller and finally was able to get something of a display.

Also it should be noted that the cpu rom was corrupt...I've updated to 2.08

It still has a few issues, I ordered replacement ribbon cables but am still having issues with the full screen displaying.

Any help is appreciated.

Here's a video of the current status:

Thanks,
John

#28 8 years ago

That sure looks like either bad power to the display or an outgassed display.
Since you've tested power and it was good, that leaves the display.
Do you have another game display you can test with?
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#29 8 years ago

It's a fairly new display; odd that it would outgas...

After being on for an hour or so, it doesn't fill...so what you see is whats there from start to finish...it doesn't get better by warming.

I notice, that when the ribbon is moved...it can get worse.

I was thinking of reflowing the header pins on the CPU? It's a new controller, so the header pins should be good there.

The new ribbon cables are coming in on Monday.

#30 8 years ago
Quoted from jjnascar:

It's a fairly new display; odd that it would outgas...
After being on for an hour or so, it doesn't fill...so what you see is whats there from start to finish...it doesn't get better by warming.
I notice, that when the ribbon is moved...it can get worse.
I was thinking of reflowing the header pins on the CPU? It's a new controller, so the header pins should be good there.
The new ribbon cables are coming in on Monday.

I'll eat my hat if any of that works. But stranger things have happend.
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#31 8 years ago

I tried to reflow the header pins, no luck as expected.

I don't think it's the ribbon cable, because its getting the data from the CPU, I think you're right about the display.

I think I'm going to have to return it, and get a new one.

1 week later
#32 8 years ago

The Saga continues lol, good news is it's getting better and better....but i'm kind of at a loss of where to go from here..any help is appreciated.

To update here is what I've done:
New Ribbon Cables (1 Sound, 2 DMD cables)
Re-flowed DMD header pins on CPU Board
All New Fuses
burned eeproms on CPU, and sound board
Verified eeproms on DMD controller board are consistent with the 2.08 version
replaced power supply with new
replaced controller board with new
replaced DMD with new display
rebuilt the 5v ground connector to DMD controller
rebuilt CN1, CN8 connectors on wires

Here's a video of the latest issue:

Line Test:

In game screen:

Thanks,
Jj

#33 8 years ago

Update:

I ran the Data East Test Rom and It seems as if a display PIA could be bad.

Can someone confirm this please?

Flash Chip Location Tested
----- --------------------
1 C5 (ROM checksum)
2 D5 (RAM read/write)
3 5F (PIA1 solenoid read/write $2100)
4 8H (PIA5 switch read/write $3002)
5 11D (PIA2 lamp read/write $2402)
6 11B (PIA3 display2 read/write $2802)
7 9B (PIA4 display1 read/write $2C02)
8 7B (PIA6 sound read/write $3402)

Thanks,
Jj

#34 8 years ago

bump -- any advice on this one?

Thanks,
John

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