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Lucky Hand Arch & Certificate

By zaphod

7 years ago


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#1 7 years ago

So I pretty much have the newly acquired Lucky Hand at 95% -just need the pbr parts- thanks to help from an EM mentor. The rebound rubber and the ball gate position are incorrect and holes for the proper positions are not there. The certificate looks original in design/paper type/type/ age color, does not look like it was removed prior. Could be a good repro print using the available template.

Thoughts?
I'm tempted to drill and move -- but bot having the left side not open hasn't really impeded scoring -- adds a bit more work which tho not as designed, increases the difficultly thus justifying the lazy-ass leave it as I found it approach.

IPDB photo: http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1488&picno=23721&zoom=2

My machine:

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#2 7 years ago

that looks like a oem cert label not a repro, but the rebound rubber is not right. it even looks like there is another whole lower on the apron but even if you moved it to that hole it would still be to high....???

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#3 7 years ago

Pretty sure that's an original certificate. Someone obviously got it off, stuck it on the wrong apron. Bizarre.

Another of those situations where you wish the games could talk. The things that have been done to them.

#4 7 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

Pretty sure that's an original certificate. Someone obviously got it off, stuck it on the wrong apron. Bizarre.
Another of those situations where you wish the games could talk. The things that have been done tto them.

I doubt they took that label off. I could never get them off in one piece and boy have I tried.

#5 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

that looks like a oem cert label not a repro, but the rebound rubber is not right. it even looks like there is another whole lower on the apron but even if you moved it to that hole it would still be to high....???

xactly! Thanks for the cert observation boilerman - matches what I see and a twin to one on my Vulcan also a 1977 machine - can certs be lifted and reapplied without evidence? I would think not. If this was oem I would have more heartburn moving them.

#6 7 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

wish the games could talk

I tried a laying on of hands but it didn't speak to me - blown fuse no doubt!

#7 7 years ago
Quoted from zaphod:

I tried a laying on of hands but it didn't speak to me - blown fuse no doubt!

those labels were soft paper with heavy glue. they just rip or fall apart

#8 7 years ago

There is a slight indentation at the other hole that looks like the rebound was mounted lower but I think that would cause some trapped balls -- a ball gate would make more sense

Then there is that ball gate to far out from the trough. No other holes. Ball slips around and back to plunger often. Looking at the Vulcan arch - it would be as designed. Also the drawing in the parts catalog shows Jacks Open / Lucky Hand arch set up as boilerman shows.

Maybe built on a Monday and Inspector #21b was a bit under that day.

#9 7 years ago
Quoted from zaphod:

a ball gate would make more sense

a ball gate would of had 3 holes if that was the case,

Quoted from zaphod:

Then there is that ball gate to far out from the trough

if it wasn't for the original cert. I would swear this arch is from another game

my only answer would someone filled in the old holes and repositioned the rebound and gate. if you pull off the arch and look at the underside you should be able to see if it was modified in any way. pretty easy to check, just a few screws

#10 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

I doubt they took that label off. I could never get them off in one piece and boy have I tried.

You just don't have the right touch, Dave. I've done it. Actually, I didn't have to do a lot, it was so loose already, it basically just popped right off.

So it doesn't look like a repro but it's obviously the wrong arch. How do we reconcile this?

#11 7 years ago
Quoted from EMsInKC:

You just don't have the right touch, Dave. I've done it. Actually, I didn't have to do a lot, it was so loose already, it basically just popped right off.
So it doesn't look like a repro but it's obviously the wrong arch. How do we reconcile this?

i have tried every possible method to remove those certs. it was like they welded them on. the paper was so soft even a little steam would make them fall apart. heat would not loosen the glue enough before they would tear. some arches were so rusty they needed to be repainted. i taped over the cert but even painters tape would pull up parts of the cert. in the end i just decided to sand blast the arch and put on a repro cert
how many have you removed? maybe you got one that wasn't glued well. i have seen oem arches without certs and i know they were oem not repainted so maybe they fell off due to not being glued on well?

ZAPHOD the machine needs the rebound and gate in the CORRECT position to be playable otherwise it messes up the flow of the game. it can be done pretty easy and the bad holes can be filled in

#12 7 years ago

That is very interesting. OP could you post photos of the underside of the apron. Having both parts originally installed incorrectly has to be a rare find.

#13 7 years ago

I wonder if it's a Jungle Princess arch? http://www.ipdb.org/showpic.pl?id=1339&picno=8394
Maybe still making Lucky Hand when Jungle Princess production started and someone grabbed the wrong one?

#14 7 years ago

I think I've removed two. One came off really easily, the other was a bit harder. I will say that the one that came off easily was a Williams, not a Gottlieb.

Whatever the reason, that's certainly not the right arch. I mean, it's not even close.

#15 7 years ago
Quoted from YeOldPinPlayer:

Maybe still making Lucky Hand when Jungle Princess production started and someone grabbed the wrong one?

I think this is likely what happened (although maybe not necessarily a JP apron).

#16 7 years ago
Quoted from Darcy:

could you post photos of the underside of the apron

Will do this afternoon.

#17 7 years ago

Arch flipped.

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No sign of other holes?

So as such a unique specimen plus the fact that it is loaded with soon to be replaced #44 GE bulbs I am hoping I can do a trade for a slightly used RV or pick-up!

#18 7 years ago
Quoted from zaphod:

I'm tempted to drill and move

I would leave it. It is hard to tell from your picture, but could the ball get stuck between the rebound rubber and the left lane guide?

Quoted from zaphod:

loaded with soon to be replaced #44 GE bulbs

Nooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

#19 7 years ago

Is it possible to flip the rebound bracket over? I've had those stickers fall off whole due to games being exposed to varying moisture issues. Not unheard of for it to fsll off and someone just sticks it on snother aprin.

#20 7 years ago
Quoted from SirScott:

could the ball get stuck between the rebound rubber and the left lane guide?

No, the near bottom of the rebound is fairly snug to the guide. I think it could get stuck or rest on the rebound if moved so as to use the other hole. Do not think any reorientation of the bracket works.

So its: let it be, drill for proper placement of the rebound - doubt if I'd ever get to filling unused holes - and maybe the gate OR look for an arch with proper set up. Will ponder but thinking I will end up drilling just the rebound.

#21 7 years ago
Quoted from boilerman:

ZAPHOD the machine needs the rebound and gate in the CORRECT position to be playable otherwise it messes up the flow of the game. it can be done pretty easy and the bad holes can be filled in

Boilerman said it best right there. So if it's drilling/filling holes on the original, or a new arch with a repro sticker keeping the old one intact and stored, that's what I'd do.

#22 7 years ago

Id hunt around for an arch that has the gate and rubber in the correct position
Drilling and filling holes, you are going to damage the cirtificate

#23 7 years ago
Quoted from tuffano:

keeping the old one intact and stored, that's what I'd do.

Yeah, I wouldn't drill holes in the one you have. Some crazy way, looks like that
may be the arch that came with the game. I most likely have an arch if you want
me to ship one to you. Might need wet sanding (paint stripping) then repainting,
but will come out looking nice.. (T)

#24 7 years ago

I'm as much for keeping a game as original as possible. I pride myself for 90%+ of my collection being and such. But where original is wrong I would rebuild it correctly.

I would drill holes in the proper position and remount the gate and bumper.

Optional - fill holes and repaint arch and instal repro label.

You can always watch for an original arch but reworking this arch is not that difficult, especially since it is a simple gloss white finish.

#25 7 years ago

I've seen other games (Williams usually) where the arch is drilled with multiple holes from the factory.

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