OK so I have replaced bulbs in the 3 inserts between the slings and shoot again 3 times and they keep going out. I pull them and there melted(ghost buster leds) any thoughts?
OK so I have replaced bulbs in the 3 inserts between the slings and shoot again 3 times and they keep going out. I pull them and there melted(ghost buster leds) any thoughts?
Do incandescent bulbs burn out quickly too? Is the bulb locked on when it is not supposed to be?
Do you have a multimeter? If so, what is the voltage reading?
Yep they are locked on I honestly hadn't noticed. I'm assuming its something on the driver board then. I'll look deeper
Good call Seal pointing it out.
Locked on bulbs can melt inserts and ramps (especially flashers).
The LEDs I guess acted like fuses (better they burned out than burn your inserts....)
Bad batch of Led's? That thing should be able to be lit for years straight without getting hot. Check the voltage at those 3 inserts. If that checks out let the led manufacturer know so they can investigate.
Quoted from Rock914:That thing should be able to be lit for years straight without getting hot.
But, sometimes when they lock, they become super bright and super hot.
Not just the normal 6v when that happens.
On many games the lamp matrix is 18v, but pulses rapidly so the bulbs are on 1/3 of the time (6v). When they lock, the lamp is given the full 18v and is very bright (until it burns out, lol).
Lol yes I prefer my bulbs smoke free as well! Not the best on board work anything particular to check? Fuses are good nothing burnt up (noticeable) no manual but checking if I can find schematics. Thanks guys
If all three of those were locked on, I'd suspect all of ROW1. Do your KEEP letters and Shoot Again also stay locked on? If so, it could be a short under the playfield or a shorted Q33 transistor.
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Edit: I just read closer and saw that you already mentioned Shoot Again. What about KEEP letters?
Disconnect the row connector and see if the lights still stay on. If they do then there's a short to ground in the playfield wiring, if not then I'd look at the driver transistor as herg suggested.
Ok, so the q33 had been replaced and same issue so there must be a short or a bad diode in the lamp socket it self? I'm sure its not to easy to trace so any input is appreciated... Thanks Guys!
You need to start by checking the Transistors that control those lights on the I O Driver board and I bet your gonna find Bad ones.
Joe(acejedi)
Quoted from Acejedi:You need to start by checking the Transistors that control those lights on the I O Driver board and I bet your gonna find Bad ones.
Joe(acejedi)
Q33 controls that row, its been replaced and the problem hasn't changed.
So, that means it's even more likely a problem under the playfield. Have you tried terryb's suggestion?
Quoted from terryb:Disconnect the row connector and see if the lights still stay on. If they do then there's a short to ground in the playfield wiring...
The connector off the board, yes and the lights went out. Not to ask a dumb question but is there another connection under the field or does it go straight to the back box. Having trouble tracking it down if there is.
If the only connector you're removing is J12 and that causes the lights to go out, that leads back to the power driver board. Using the shotgun approach of replacing parts isn't very effective, and you can do more damage than good.
The best way to test whether the board has an issue without involving the playfield wiring is to use a single bulb with test leads you can connect to the PCB pins.
1. Remove J12 and J13.
2. Connect a test lead (wire with clips on the end) to J12-P1.
3. Connect the other end of the test lead to one contact of a bulb.
4. Connect a second test lead to J13-P5.
5. Connect the other end of the second test lead to the second contact of the bulb.
The bulb should react like the Fellowship insert would. Test mode is the best place to verify this. If it stays lit, you're seeing the same problem, and you can eliminate the playfield wiring as a cause. If it blinks, you'll know your board is OK.
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