(Topic ID: 254765)

Loss of power On FLIPPER POOL


By weeze

6 months ago



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#1 6 months ago

h First steps on a "new to me" game, took the playfield out, flipped it over and did all the things you usually do when you first get a game from somewhere else. New bulbs, coil sleeves, all new standup targets, and the occasional switch. put it back in started a game and went to work on all the pool balls that were not reacting tp their targets or roll over switches and I worked on them for actually quite some time.
Ok start a game. and I've got ZERO power from the Pop bumpers on down, no flippers or slingshots or rollovers or targets. All the G.I. lights are on but the bottom 3/4 of the playfield the assorted things have no power.
Went through the fuses again, pulled them out, checked the amps and checked with a continuity tester. They all test good.
Then I checked all the plugs male and female looking for any probs, found none. Now everything worked to different degrees and I was real close to being 100% when DOINK!!!!! power disappeared.
Remember now that the rollovers across the top and some of the 1 pt. switches are working until the kill zone.
Any suggestions on where to look besides fuses and the connectors?
Thank you.

#2 6 months ago

When you say “did all the things you do when you first get a game” was one of the things to see if it Worked before completely changing every electrical part? Curious if it worked before you Flipped it over and rebuilt it? If so go back to everything you did. Sounds like a few of the solder board pins are now cracked and need to be floated again.

#3 6 months ago
Quoted from weeze:

h First steps on a "new to me" game, took the playfield out, flipped it over and did all the things you usually do when you first get a game from somewhere else. New bulbs, coil sleeves, all new standup targets, and the occasional switch. put it back in started a game and went to work on all the pool balls that were not reacting tp their targets or roll over switches and I worked on them for actually quite some time.
Ok start a game. and I've got ZERO power from the Pop bumpers on down, no flippers or slingshots or rollovers or targets. All the G.I. lights are on but the bottom 3/4 of the playfield the assorted things have no power.
Went through the fuses again, pulled them out, checked the amps and checked with a continuity tester. They all test good.
Then I checked all the plugs male and female looking for any probs, found none. Now everything worked to different degrees and I was real close to being 100% when DOINK!!!!! power disappeared.
Remember now that the rollovers across the top and some of the 1 pt. switches are working until the kill zone.
Any suggestions on where to look besides fuses and the connectors?
Thank you.

Check contacts on "tilt" relay and also the switches on the back side of the ball count unit.

#4 6 months ago

yes I played the game before I gave the playfield a "tuneup."
Ball count unit seems to work correctly.
Is it possible to have a hidden tilt somewhere that I have overlooked? remember I can start a game and ball goes to ball lift, upper rollovers work just fine. THink its possible the bottom 2/3 rds of the playfield all get power with one common "hot" source? Maybe that's what Im overlooking. I WILL go back and go over the connectors and see if I can find something amiss there.

#5 6 months ago
Quoted from weeze:

the rollovers across the top and some of the 1 pt. switches are working until the kill zone.

What do you mean by "kill zone"?

#6 6 months ago

I said "kill zone" to describe the area from the pop bumpers on down where Im getting no power. Just slang, I guess I shouldn't use slang in here. I shall try to avoid it in the future.
One thing that is different from most games is that the connectors are fastened to a piece of wood. All the female sides are attached to this board and then the male pins are attached. THe board is not attached to anything. Just hangs there in the air. Of course the board and its plugs have insufficient length of wire to pull the whole thing up throw the bottom of the head and doesn't hang low enough in the cabinet to observe there. So I shall go in again today, separate the male side of all the plugs and check solder spots on each with a magnifying glass.

#7 6 months ago
Quoted from weeze:

I said "kill zone" to describe the area from the pop bumpers on down where Im getting no power. Just slang, I guess I shouldn't use slang in here. I shall try to avoid it in the future.
One thing that is different from most games is that the connectors are fastened to a piece of wood. All the female sides are attached to this board and then the male pins are attached. THe board is not attached to anything. Just hangs there in the air. Of course the board and its plugs have insufficient length of wire to pull the whole thing up throw the bottom of the head and doesn't hang low enough in the cabinet to observe there. So I shall go in again today, separate the male side of all the plugs and check solder spots on each with a magnifying glass.

I would suggest skip the magnifying glass and use a proper voltage meter to verify continuity to each pin and plug. If the issue was visible by eye you would already have this fixed. Check each and reflow. As it worked temporarily and you did pull all the plugs to flip the playfield that is where I would start.

#8 6 months ago

I will come over and help if you need it, just let me know

#9 6 months ago

"Flipper Pool" and it's replay sister, "Bank A Ball" both have the detached board with the female jones connectors mounted to it. There are a handful of other games which use this. The reason is, there isn't enough room in the lightbox to mount all the connectors.
Rarely is there an issue with the jones connectors, except for maybe a wire coming off. As I said, there is a switch on the back of the ball count unit which turns playfield power on and off (off at "game over", obviously). Don't know what you mean by a "hidden tilt". If the game isn't in tilt, and you have no power, there's contacts on the tilt relay which switches playfield power on and off (power off when tilted). If the switch is open or dirty, the game won't show tilt, but you'll have no playfield power. Check these two areas.

#10 6 months ago

I checked the back of the ball count unit. It appears the switches there are all working. the switch in the ball trough, if I activate that by hand it will count off one ball each time so that is working correctly.
On the tilt relay, which has two switches, I hand activate those individually and then together with a rollover switch on the lower part of the playfield jumpered to be always closed. Nothing started working on the same lower 80% or so of the playfield. I thank you for the direction there JR.
So its that time of the day where when my broken 11th vertebrae tells me that it is time to stop looking over the game.
Tomorrow when I get some time I will take reading on both sides of those plugs. I probably need to sit down and look over the schematic well and see if I can find the two different sources of power, at least I THINK there are two sources and that one is working and the other is not.
I will post again when I get chance to check both sides of the plugs.
Thank you the suggestion today.

#11 6 months ago

With the exception of buying a NIB Waking Dead Pro I have spent the past 10 to 12 years doing "restorations" on old Gottlieb Wedgeheads. Now I have some serious medical issues with my back so I thought maybe Ill just get this game up and running and leave it at that. Old habits die hard though and I've decided to go the whole 9 yards on it and do the repaint and chrome and all that comes with doing a "restore" on it. I'm hoping that during the tear down and then puting it back together I will find the problem. So I may very well be back here in a couple of months or so asking for advice once again.i have faith tho, I usually sniff out these kinds of issues.
Thanks you everyone for the input. I really appreciate it. Maybe Ill come back if I find the problem and all systems are go I will post a couple pictures. Thanks again everyone

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