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Looking at purchasing first EM / Pin

By jpd424

1 year ago

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    #1 1 year ago

    Hello Everyone I have been lurking on the forums for a while. Have mostly been into virtual pinball and have built my own virtual pinball cabinet. I am enjoying it so much I have decided to dip my toes into a real machine. I am here to ask you for some advice. I am mechanically inclined, not afraid of learning, and would'nt mind a small project. I ran across a Jungle Queen for sale on my local Craigslist and was hoping someone more knowledgable could tell me if i should walk away and wait. They are asking $750, It appears to be mostly intact though I cannot be 100% sure from the pictures. The Playfield glass is missing and I was told the power cord is shot. The glass has appeared to have been off for quite some time. The play field is extremely dirty but I think with some elbow grease it could cleanup nicely. There appeared to be only a few wear spots around the pop bumpers that I noticed. The back glass looked to be in good shape there wasnt any obvious flaking but I could be wrong. The inside looked better then I expected but again the photos were not the best. I dont believe the person selling it knows how to lift the playfield for a better pic.

    Thank you for any input or advice.

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    #2 1 year ago

    The Mr. Pinball price guide has that machine's value listed at $775. I would not spend the full asking price.

    #3 1 year ago

    I love Jungle Queen/princess but I would advise HEAVILY on not getting a project as your first pin

    #4 1 year ago

    if you can't verify working condition assume broken and offer 300 to 350 no more unless you really want it but then you are getting taken advantage of. its never just afuse and it lights up means nothing.

    #5 1 year ago

    I would try to get one that is more complete and ideally working or mostly working. Its easy to find a non workin EM. If you're looking to spend 750 on a project there are pleanty off working machines in that price or ones in better condition. I understand you have the itch, but to not have a working machine for your first dip into analog pinball AND to lose money on it (if u were to eventually sell it) is just not a fun entry to the hobby. Personally i wouldn't drop more than 250 on it. Even that seems like a bit much after u consider buying glass, fuses, and a few missing parts.

    Good luck, my first ponball was a nonworking EM. I had a lot of fun and frustration getting it going. I loved the artwork on mine and so it stays in the collection because of that. Plus its fun! (But now i like games with more depth than EM can provide, so it will probably be the only spot in my collection for an EM).

    #6 1 year ago

    thank you all for your comments. I have the same gut feeling you are all saying. Some times the itch starts to take over and you need talked off the ledge

    I do think it is way over priced and wouldnt consider buying it for what they were asking. If they were to take $300 for it, that is where the itch starts to take over in my mind and I wouldnt know if i should still walk away. Im not worried about re-sale value. I never get into a hobby thinking im going to make money. Im more in it for the learning experience and the fun.

    #7 1 year ago

    I find the single player EM’s easier to work on. I’d find a cleaner, working machine. If I wanted that game, I’d be looking for Jungle Princess. 2 player. Drop targets!, definitely a plus.

    #8 1 year ago

    $250 - $300 at the most then a lot of time. New LED's , rubber rings, pop bumpers caps, coil sleeves, post, playfield glass, 1 new pinball starts to adds up quick. I see that player 1 and player 4 have scores. 2 and 3 don't. Player reel advance needs adjustments.

    #9 1 year ago
    Quoted from hazmat7719:

    The Mr. Pinball price guide has that machine's value listed at $775. I would not spend the full asking price.

    Is that in full working order, I think it is.

    #10 1 year ago

    If you tell him you're willing to spend 300 -350 they'll probably say no but more than likely they'll end up calling you back when nobody else bites...

    #11 1 year ago

    Thats a fun game but for $750 you’ll find another game that’s in much better shape and just as fun (probably more) if you’re patient. Check on eBay every day for other EMs or early SS machines. Lots of times you can find games in that price range from reputable sellers that are within a 2-3 hour drive. That’s how I got all 4 of my machines and I bought the last 3 in an 8 month span. Like others have said, getting your feet wet with a project is probably not the best idea. Good luck.

    #12 1 year ago

    There are plenty of great working and much nicer machines in the price range of 750.00. Just keep your eyes open.

    #13 1 year ago

    Jungle Queen is a very good and fun title,
    but $750 is a bit steep for the condition it is in and also if it is not 100% working.
    Most I would offer would be about half that.
    You should be able to easily find a nice working EM for $500 or less.

    #14 1 year ago

    Better make sure that is dirt and not mold. $750 no way!

    #15 1 year ago

    For your first pin, spend a couple hundred more and get a fully working pin. Even if it’s ‘working’, you will find much to work on and learn and fix and will enjoy the process much more especially since you can play it as well. So in my view this pin is not for you and overpriced. Single players are better as well as less that can go wrong (one score reel). If this was your second pin, then I say go ahead and buy for $300. Good luck - this is the best hobby!

    #16 1 year ago

    Thank you all. Going to keep looking.

    #17 1 year ago

    One thing to remember about eBay is that you’ll have to not only be patient and vigilant, you’ll also have to wade through all the ridiculously overpriced machines as well. I happened to find a beautiful 1976 Space Mission in great shape for $400 5 weeks ago and it was only 45 minutes away. That’s unusual but timing and luck play a big part in it.

    #18 1 year ago

    You're about 5 hours from the Allentown show in May. If time and money allow it, make the trip before buying a game. There is usually close to a 100 EM's there to play and you could zero in on a title or two (or twelve) you like. Possibly bring home a working game for that $750. Food for thought.

    #19 1 year ago
    Quoted from tomdrum:

    You're about 5 hours from the Allentown show in May. If time and money allow it, make the trip before buying a game. There is usually close to a 100 EM's there to play and you could zero in on a title or two (or twelve) you like. Possibly bring a working game for that $750. Food for thought.

    Good advise

    #20 1 year ago

    to make an electro mechanical reliable so that you are not chasing shadows requires a lot of work. as the machine ages the spacers on the switches dry out and shrink leaving the switch gaps to change and go out of adjustment. first step is to tighten all the screws while making sure the leafs are all aligned. hopefully someone has not sprayed contact cleaner on it or else you will have deposits of "salts" on the leaves since the 50 volt arcs break down the chemical cleaner and cause problems. a quick brushing or the contacts with flexstone will clean them up no problem though. care should be taken to make sure the contacts make and break properly when the relays move from at rest to engaged position, a multi meter is very good for this and verify these switches is very important to insure fault free function. the next stupid thing that people do is lube the plungers which is ok for about a week or two but then grunge builds up on the wetness and freezes the plungers. you must clean thoroughly and not lube. sticky plungers leads to people winding the return springs on stepper units tighter to facilitate returning to home position but this makes the stepper unreliable to advance properly. most springs are wound 3 revolutions for proper operation.

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