I say buy and remove the large center mylar since it could probably be gorgeous underneath

A lot of people make a lot of fuss about mylar, but it really doesn't make the difference some seem to think. What the mylar /has/ done on that machine, is preserve all the art underneath. If you buy the machine, leave the mylar alone.

Williams did make a full factory mylar for this game, it's just not very common to find it installed.

An old operator in chandler, az, told me Williams would provide the machines with mylar but it was up to the buyer to install the mylar. For example, Alot of High Speeds were wore down to wood, because alot of operators never put the mylar on the machine. The home purchaser, took the time to apply the mylar, resulting in some good HS examples out there.

I agree. As long as the mylar is clear and isn't bubbling, there is no reason to mess with it.

I have a TZ with the mylar. I don't see why so many people have issues with machines with mylar. I like the way the machine plays, and the playfield looks great, IMO.

Low 3ks is a good price. I paid $4000 for mine a few months ago.

I'd be all over that. If you decide to remove it, you'll have a nice clean playfield underneath. I've had really good luck with removing Mylar from clearcoated playfields like TZ.

where's it located?

i'll be happy to swoop in and give you my opinion.

i have a beautiful one that i purposely mylared. it preserves the machine, and noone would ever know. as a matter of fact, i can argue it plays better than on wood. but since it's really almost the same, i won't waste my breath on that one.

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But it doesn't feel the same Sorry...had to

Back to TZ talk....I would say buy it and leave the mylar alone

If you have a TAF you need a TZ. Can't have one without the other. I'd grad it for 3k before someone else does. That's cheap. Mylar is going to slow it down, but TZ is burtal and the ball times are short due to high drains anyway. Because of that, it won't be very noticeable, mylared or not. I've never seen a TZ with wear. It never gets played enough. Drives like a big boat and the game will be over before you know it. It's fun to have around, especially for that price.

Mylar makes a game play slow. I hate it. With that said. Every game is evaluated seperatly when it comes to mylar.

TZ was not factory installed. The mylar should come off easily with a little elbow grease a hair dryer and goo gone. If you do this the game will look amazing and will play great as the playfield has been protected for so long. If your a beginner and the mylar is in good shape leave it and wax it good regularly then think about it later when you got more expiriance.

Factory installed mylar is put on while the ink has not cured long enough so when removing it you can take up the artwork. This was not the case with TZ as it was clear coated and didn't need the mylar.

Mylar doesn't bother me much, as long as it's in good shape, and it sounds like yours is.

Hmmm, glad I saw this post.
I just made a very similar comment on a different thread, but I just recently bought a routed FT with factory Mylar. I was so excited to see a pristine (albeit very dirty) playfield that I figured I would just patiently remove it and do a serious cleanup and clearcoat on it. Is this a bad idea???
The edges of the Mylar are pretty dirty. I doubt it would come perectly clean.

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Hmmm, glad I saw this post.
I just made a very similar comment on a different thread, but I just recently bought a routed FT with factory Mylar. I was so excited to see a pristine (albeit very dirty) playfield that I figured I would just patiently remove it and do a serious cleanup and clearcoat on it. Is this a bad idea???
The edges of the Mylar are pretty dirty. I doubt it would come perectly clean.

Try out Treasure Coves 3 step system if you're going to leave it on. Beyond impressive on mylar. Having said that, the game will play much better with a nice new clearcoat as opposed to the mylar in my opinion.

The mylar edges in this pic had the kind of ground in dirt you're talking about.

Trev

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Get the TZ

I'd grab the TZ and pull the mylar off using freeze spray and goo gone. I bet the playfield is just beautiful under it! I would then get the TZ Mylar kit from Pinbits just put mylar in the areas where it's needed such as the pop bumpers, ball drop areas and the big piece below the slot kickout.

Buy it and leave the playfield alone for now.

+100

If you are going to remove it, use the freeze spray/goo gone method but do it MEGA slowly. Its worked out for me very well on some machines, and extremely bad on others. If it looks ok, i wouldnt even bother removing it.

At that price it's a good deal with or without mylar. But in a HUO environment, the mylar isn't really needed and in the long run, it may be a PITA to deal with if it starts coming up, wrinkling, tearing or getting foggy. But at that price it's a no-brainer. The machine is probably worth at least $4k