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Lockdown bar and rail issue


By KornFreak28

1 year ago



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    #1 1 year ago

    Hello,

    I’m putting the final touches to my IJ restoration. Before adding 3M tape to the rails, I test fitted them in place using the existing holes. Problem is, the lockdown bar does not fit!

    Looks like the lockdown bar is hitting the right side rail. Looks like there is plenty room on the left side rail. The rails are where they are supposed to be. Using a brand new lockdown receiver as well. What could be causing this? Any help is much appreciated. Thanks!

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    #2 1 year ago

    Can you loosen the receiver and move it over a little ?

    LTG : )

    #3 1 year ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Can you loosen the receiver and move it over a little ?
    LTG : )

    Yeah, let me play with the receiver and see if it improves. I’ll be right back....Thanks!

    #4 1 year ago

    So a big improvement as now the lockdown receiver does go down BUT when I tighten the nuts the handle bar on the bottom of the receiver gets out if alignment and fails to lock bar in place. Is there an adjustment to this handle bar? Thanks!

    #5 1 year ago

    This is my problem. The locking bar hits the lockdown bar’s hooks. Is there a way to adjust this? This locking bar needs to go up some. The 2 screws on top are not restricting the bar of movement.

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    #6 1 year ago
    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    Using a brand new lockdown receiver as well.

    Compare the old to the new, maybe the mounting holes are not the same.

    #7 1 year ago

    Try loosening the brass screws on the receiver, it looks like those are pushing down too far

    #8 1 year ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    Try loosening the brass screws on the receiver, it looks like those are pushing down too far

    They are all the way up....

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    #9 1 year ago
    Quoted from GRUMPY:

    Compare the old to the new, maybe the mounting holes are not the same.

    Sold it a long time ago

    #10 1 year ago

    Maybe your receiver needs to be re-mounted higher up? This is pretty weird I have never had this issue after doing 10 games . Where did you get the receiver from ?

    #11 1 year ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    Maybe your receiver needs to be re-mounted higher up? This is pretty weird I have never had this issue after doing 10 games . Where did you get the receiver from ?

    Pinball life.

    It is as high as it can possibly go. I wish there was some sort of adjustment I could do to the lock bar mech.

    #12 1 year ago

    You may or may not know this..... BE CAREFUL pressing down on that lock bar. A firm palm plant on that lock bar can “dent” it and it really shows up on polished lock bars. You’ll know if it’s dented by looking at the bar from an angle.

    #13 1 year ago
    Quoted from Bud:

    You may or may not know this..... BE CAREFUL pressing down on that lock bar. A firm palm plant on that lock bar can “dent” it and it really shows up on polished lock bars. You’ll know if it’s dented by looking at the bar from an angle.

    Thanks for the warning

    #14 1 year ago

    Any other ideas?

    #15 1 year ago

    are the [hooks] the same length on the underside of both the old and new lockdown bars?

    based on the your 2nd to last photo, it appears that the hooks should be sitting just a bit lower (or receiver bar raised up a bit so that it catches the top side of the [hook tab] to engage and pull the lockdown bar downward as you slide the receiver

    #16 1 year ago

    Compare it to another WPC lock down bar. The hooks must be slightly different on this one

    #17 1 year ago

    Thanks for the suggestions! I'm at work right now but I'll take pics of the hooks and receiver later today. The problem is that right now, this is the only WPC machine I have. I have a Metallica but that's it. I sold my original lockdown bar when I bought this brass plated one. So I got nothing to compare to. I'll post pics later today. Thanks!

    #18 1 year ago

    I remember trying it (without the rails) a while back before I installed the decals on the cabinet and it worked just fine. The rails are not glued to the cabinet yet. They are only secured by the screws and bolts. Could it be that my rails are creating this issue? I just don't see how, since they are where they are 'supposed' to be.

    #19 1 year ago

    I still think the problem is the receiver somehow - those lockbars are pretty standard, but I guess you could have gotten a bum one somehow. Eh, but I’ve bought 5 or 6 of those and every single one fit.

    Is is possible you bought the wrong one? Like for a system 11 or something?

    Post more pics of the cab and receiver, further away from where you initially took them

    #20 1 year ago

    I’ve bought several receivers from PL and they all work fine. I highly doubt it’s the side rails causing the issue

    #21 1 year ago
    Quoted from Rdoyle1978:

    I still think the problem is the receiver somehow - those lockbars are pretty standard, but I guess you could have gotten a bum one somehow. Eh, but I’ve bought 5 or 6 of those and every single one fit.
    Is is possible you bought the wrong one? Like for a system 11 or something?
    Post more pics of the cab and receiver, further away from where you initially took them

    I will do just that....Thanks!

    #22 1 year ago

    What I'll do is remove the rails and see if the lockdown bar fits.....

    #23 1 year ago

    Remove the lockdown bar receiver. ( set the two adjustment screws about where they started ) put the lockdown bar in it. Set it in the game. Remount it, new screw holes. Done.

    LTG : )

    #24 1 year ago
    Quoted from LTG:

    Remove the lockdown bar receiver. ( set the two adjustment screws about where they started ) put the lockdown bar in it. Set it in the game. Remount it, new screw holes. Done.
    LTG : )

    Not a bad idea at all! Thank you very much for that

    #25 1 year ago

    Good luck with the lockdown bar!

    Any chance we get to see a few photos of the final restoration? Your opening post was a tease! Love looking at beautiful Indys!

    #26 1 year ago
    Quoted from CaptainNavidad:

    Good luck with the lockdown bar!
    Any chance we get to see a few photos of the final restoration? Your opening post was a tease! Love looking at beautiful Indys!

    Thanks! Yeah I'm going to start my own IJ restoration thread to show the whole process from start to finish really soon! Well, as soon as I get the rails and lockdown bar installed! Once (hopefully) I take care of this, I'll hook all the connectors and fire it up! Here's a few pics of the playfield and some mods I created, including upgraded planes with spinning props (still need to install the biplane) Idol with stone pedestal, painted and added greenery and branches to the ugly red mini playfield rails, a lots more....
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    #27 1 year ago

    The receiver bracket is too low in the cabinet. Follow Loyd's advice and you will be good.

    #28 1 year ago
    Quoted from j_m_:

    receiver bar raised up a bit so that it catches the top side of the [hook tab] to engage and pull the lockdown bar downward as you slide the receiver

    Correct. Then use adjustment screws as the last step for final tweaking. Just went through this with a TONTAN.

    #29 1 year ago

    Ok first of all, Is this the correct WPC lockdown bar?

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    #30 1 year ago
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    #31 1 year ago

    Is it normal for the rails to stick out like this? One sticks out more than the other one

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    #32 1 year ago

    Rails shouldn’t stick past the cabinet

    #33 1 year ago

    This is as far back as it goes....

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    #34 1 year ago

    Put the old receiver in and works pretty good. Now, I’ll try the new receiver again

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    #35 1 year ago

    That is the wrong receiver for IJ
    The holes that it mounts in are smaller on that versionband will not allow you to move it higher up.

    #36 1 year ago

    I really think the new receiver is crap. With the old receiver, the bolt holes align perfectly. With the new one, they just don’t! I did as Lloyd sugested and the lockdown bar barely clears the rails with both reveivers but the new one does not line up with the bolt holes at all. The old one does....any suggestions other than installing the old receiver?

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    #37 1 year ago
    Quoted from High_End_Pins:

    That is the wrong receiver for IJ
    The holes that it mounts in are smaller on that versionband will not allow you to move it higher up.

    Thanks for confirming that Chris! I have no idea how this happened! I bought it at Pinball Life and it was supposedly for WPC machines....So Besides the holes being smaller, is there another difference from the incorrect receiver to a newer style correct one? I had already put my “Restored by” stickers on it and everything

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    #38 1 year ago
    Quoted from KornFreak28:

    Thanks for confirming that Chris! I have no idea how this happened! I bought it at Pinball Life and it was supposedly for WPC machines....So Besides the holes being smaller, is there another difference from the incorrect receiver to a newer style correct one? I had already put my “Restored by” stickers on it and everything
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    Not a whole lot.
    If you are using a newer door the arm there in the new one will clear it better
    What you could do it just notch out the lockbar a bit more
    It is easy to do.
    Shave the opening a bit larger as shown with the tape.
    If it proves a little too loose then you can use those brass screws in the receiver to tighten it up.

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    #39 1 year ago
    Quoted from High_End_Pins:

    Not a whole lot.
    If you are using a newer door the arm there in the new one will clear it better
    What you could do it just notch out the lockbar a bit more
    It is easy to do.
    Shave the opening a bit larger as shown with the tape.
    If it proves a little too loose then you can use those brass screws in the receiver to tighten it up.
    [quoted image][quoted image]

    I’ll do just that. Great tip btw! So I just installed the old one and it goes right in. This will allow me to continue my restoration. Question before I 3M tape the rails....Is it OK for the rails to stick out a bit?

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    #40 1 year ago

    If you are using the original holes it is ok

    That is common on the factory install.
    I prefer them to be about flush but if you are talking about a 1/16th or a touch more it is fine.

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    #41 1 year ago
    Quoted from High_End_Pins:

    If you are using the original holes it is ok
    That is common on the factory install.
    I prefer them to be about flush but if you are talking about a 1/16th or a touch more it is fine.
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    Great! Thank you so much Chris! I really appreciate it. Been restoring this machine on and off for over a year and I just can’t wait to fire it up!

    #42 1 year ago
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    #43 1 year ago

    Hi George,

    Your IJ restoration is looking really nice. Just an FYI, if you are unable to perform the receiver modification that Chris mentioned you can always buy a new receiver from Mantis Amusements. I purchased new ones from Mantis for most of my games and they look and fit perfectly, although I don't have an IJ.

    https://mantispinball.com/product/misc-receiver-with-spring/
    https://mantispinball.com/product/misc-receiver-without-spring/

    Good luck.

    Gord

    #44 1 year ago
    Quoted from GRB1959:

    Hi George,
    Your IJ restoration is looking really nice. Just an FYI, if you are unable to perform the receiver modification that Chris mentioned you can always buy a new receiver from Mantis Amusements. I purchased new ones from Mantis for most of my games and they look and fit perfectly, although I don't have an IJ.
    https://mantispinball.com/product/misc-receiver-with-spring/
    https://mantispinball.com/product/misc-receiver-without-spring/
    Good luck.
    Gord

    Thanks for that information Gord! I’ll look into it!

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