Man I hate to say it, but that fat old Axl is not what I was hoping to see so much of.

Wasn't he suing photographers at one point for posting Fat Axl pics? You'd think he'd be first in line demanding a skinny filter on the video display.

None, but I'm not comparing gameplay yet. JJP's *past* games haven't been too compelling for me, but this one is still unknown.

I will say the playfield layout looks pretty standard whereas JP2 and Avengers mixed it up a bit more.

Agree that extra flippers aren't always good (see: Laser Ball) .. in this case (maiden) the flippers are two staged, and you can skillfully drop the uppers to make the orbits when needed.

And that's a perfectly good reason to choose GnR over other titles.

Everything gets old.

Especially this thread.

If I had the cash, I'd buy both too. If a person had to choose, then I think my points are pretty spot on.

He DID try to get pics of himself removed from google. True story. Not sure why that's getting downvoted?

Confirmed: drop targets in Toy Story!

I wish I could see the look on Steve Ritchie face when the cool video was put out for reveal.Big Ritchie fan here but Im sure he’s handcuffed

WHAAAA? Uhm....no. While I applaud your enthusiasm, I think you're over stating "truly exceptional and unique." I like me some GnR, really do; love that Slash helped out, along with Axl and the gang. JJP pulled stops for licensing, that I will grant ya. Stern has to up their silly cheapskate licensing now. Other than that, pin looks wonderful, that's all.

Looking at the thumbs up vs the thumbs down and the fack Stern FB fallowers number 524,674 vs JJP FB pg with 39,128 fallowers I don't think Stern is worried

LOL It drove prices up

No doubt, but it will be interesting to compare their LZ LE version to JJP's LE...both about the same price....

Your job here just keeps getting more and more difficult!Maybe you should give it a LITTLE break?

I wish we could combine the build quality of JJP pins with the much better shooting (and usually better themed) Stern pins. That would be something!!!

In all fairness. Is the price of stuff really going up, or is the value of money going down?

Both.

Get GnR and you’ll have both

Ok, let’s speculate... the price of pins will start dropping when the market hits saturation... right now, Millennials with money and space are driving prices up as they discover home ownership. They gather at the Barcades and drink and play and then someone says “we ought to buy one of these and play it at my house”. Then they all get tired of IMDN Pro, and need something else... and so on and so on. Until they move on to the “next big thing”. A lot of these guys are hard core gamers and their love of gaming is reflected in their pin purchasing. I don’t see a price drop on the horizon until the Barcades and Arcades lose their luster and attraction. And when these guys and girls start dropping babies, the cost of keeping a huge home collection will be overshadowed by the cost of kids and the market will start flooding with Machines, and only the cost of storage (which has stayed abreast with inflation) will put these all back on the market. Maybe in 5 years, maybe less, but not much more than that is my guess. Notice I said guess, who or wtf really knows?

Taking away most of the stuff that makes a game cool makes it less interesting? You don't say.

Of all the obnoxious forum titles, this one probably takes the prize..... GnR's so-so layout devalues this amazing thing?

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But it has a top hat!!

100% this.
The housing market is a perfect example.
The buying power of money is not what it once was.

No actually it's getting easier. Forget about the multiball the fact that the majority of screen time is concert footage and I never realized what little stage presence G&R had make screen time a thumbs down. The lack of the ability of knowing what to shoot with all lights blinking thumbs down. The price increase is a thumbs down. The local distro in the northeast has 4 JJP games for sale G&R is the only one they charge shipping. The lightshow overwhelms the game thumbs down

I haven't played GNR yet, but I own or have owned all the Stern modern music pins, and my guess is those games won't hold a candle to the new GNR....are the stern games fun...u bet they are (especially MET), but my guess is they will feel like a cheap toy after I experience GNR CE.....at the end of the day they are all good and picking one over the other is stupid.....Stern makes 10X more games than JJP so their product is just different. It typically takes them years to fully develop code, and they rarely pay for assets. Both companies are great in their own ways....

So we all knew GnR was close to being released, those who wanted to waited. I don't think for a second anyone thought "well I want to see GnR and I love that band but I can't wait so I'll buy Avengers.
Do u honestly believe that Led Zeppelin fans are gonna pass because of GnR? I think it looks good but after seeing gameplay I'm sorry it isn't anything special.

No it won't

Its not gonna have any effect.

Stern SW's has nothing to do with how much DESW is going for. If anything is should have gone down in price. What SW fan would buy the DE version over Stern? People may be asking high prices, doesn't mean there are getting it.

I agree, and that novelty will wear off real fast. I don't think its a sensation at all. Most of us cooled off real fast after watching gameplay.

Let's face it.When Zeppelin drops this hype train will end and a new one will begin.And GNR didn't devalue jackshit.

This is too much work isn’t it?Maybe you can let it ride,try try try to let it ride!

Imagine Zeppelin tunes going and you're flipping that Ritchie flow. Dream machine.

Just something else ripped off from anther game!

Been in this hobby since 2010. When NIB pins hit 5K you should have heard all the bitching and moaning that went on. Prices continued to slowly rise. Everyday there was a new thread saying the price bubble is gonna burst. The bubble has not burst. Buyers keep buying as prices keep rising. As NIB is out of reach for many there is even MORE demand for used games so the price of those continue to increase. The success of GnR will only increase the cost of used games as they are a cheaper option for most so again more demand. Until NIB sales slow or lower in price used games are not gonna decline in price. Some unpopular titles have even gone up.

Can Slash stand next to my system 11s for a minute?
He must have magic in that hat! $$
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Agreed. It happens with every reveal. Some people just get overhyped and start talking nonsense. After a day passed, I was like yeah it looks cool and wanna try it, but people are nuts if they think it's going to destroy competitors and crash the pinball market. lol fuckin' newb goobers.

Settle down skippy your tirades make you look small!

Come over and play pinball.

too bad the JPP is themed modern GnR vs Appetite era GnR. who wants to see that...cant wait to play...total deal breaker to ever own. i think JPP pirates is super cool but cant pay that much for a pin.

i hope the stern zeppelin will have a vintage vibe with no overweight band members to be seen.

I hope it does. I could use some cheap pins

The funny thing is almost 5 years ago when DI came out and they announced pricing and people were like WTF. All it took is time and a better theme and it was shut up and take my money!!!

The people have spoken and have now shown the price is acceptable. What is really funny about this is when Kiss was released everybody LAUGHED THEIR ASS off at the 100 or so Kiss was selling on their website at 12,500 with signed apron cards.

I am not sure if pinheads are smart, have too much money, or have no common sense. I am not bitching at the high prices but all these people that continually spout out “I would pay XXX for that theme” got what they wanted. Never seen anything like it in my life. The good thing is the manufacturers are listening and now you CAN pay XXX and probably more for whatever title you want if you wait for it. 1K for a topper....good grief. So now that 10K by Xmas is no longer a joke wait till the next level of tiered pricing rolls out. It’s coming. And I am sure there will be SLE models to boot so get your video applications ready. FOMO exploited to the max. I hope the next title release lives up to this one.

Pretty soon the Stern home versions will seem like a bargain before too long.

Not a chance.

Between 2011 and 2020, one thing has been clear. The prices of NIB games have dramatically increased in price incrementally throughout the decade, and along with that the prices of used games including system 11, DMD and LCD games have all continued to go up in price from year to year as well. That increase in prices of used games does not mean it goes up in value compared to the NIB price. It only means the value of used games are trending up once they have their initial depreciation from being no longer NIB as compared to past used prices.

So no, the values of used games are not suddenly dropping from the release of one title that is the new shiny object of the month. People do like to own multiple titles in this hobby and like to have variety as well.
I have seen this story play out so many times over the decade and the good games are always valued and coveted as long as people in this hobby are still motivated by the hobby in general.

What's wrong with this?!

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I mean, I do see upper-end collectors selling pins in order to pay for the new hot game. I picked up my EHoH for $7k with art blades, a shaker, and <100 plays. Guess what game the seller was getting ready to pay for? Yep, the new Avengers. And why did he do that? Because he was hyped for the new hot pin, and he needed the money/space.

I think an upper-end game like GNR will lower prices, but only for other upper-end games. I would imagine a lot of DI's, Wonkas, WOZ's, Turtles Prem/LE's, and B/W Classics & Remakes will continue to show up on the marketplace for well-below MSRP prices. But like many others have said, I would expect used older and lower-tier pins to continue to rise.

Because owners with a lower budget still need something to buy, and NIB pins are too much money for a lot of pinball enthusiasts. Plus, replacement parts/components for older games are more plentiful than ever, so that helps keep the old games going strong.

Slash crashing the used pin market...I would say a dude who smokes at your wedding is capable of anything

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Man all those 3k system 11s sure did lose their value thanks to wpc, whitestar, sam, and spike games.

Did you even take a moment to think of what games cost on the used market before you formed this statement?

If your comment is about the subpar crap that has hit the market in the last 10 years then it is not really G&R that hurt the value of crap games it is the fact they are crap

First I think leaving a little money on the table is a good thing trying to get every last doller you can will endup biting you in the ass if not this time than next time. As for what is better on an LE game extra bling of an extra toy I say neather are worth the cost